I think can get roses on
zoom in here.
Let's wait
until about three or four past the hour and see who else might hop on
Race.
Well, thanks.
weighed about one more minute, and then we can get started. Also, somebody is
All right, how about we get started.
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Welcome to everybody. First, perhaps we could just do around about who's here and then move into our agenda so I'm Rose Schumann and actually it looks like the new chair of this group so
presuming you're poor parents for this arrangement. Thank you very much.
To it, but maybe everyone else can go around and introduce who they are, who's here.
Hi, this is Alan third eye.
I'm I leave blockchain for government in IBM
Globally, but most of the work we're doing in the moment is actually in the UK.
But looking forward to contributing rose
From the province of British Columbia.
And what is your interest on or perhaps a bit of context for those who don't know you.
Sure, I'm meeting an implementation.
For business identity. We call it the Orange Book on Hyper ledger indie technology. And we'd also done a little bit of work in the past with Alan fabric.
I am
From CEO and
Founder or four eyes, which is a software consultancy and develop my company and we already had a couple of
Governmental customers have in the blank space yet.
But then that's my interest because I see lots of use cases.
Hi this is Martha cars com director, because it's important hyper manager and my interest in this group is to make sure that
It exists, and we have a platform to develop and find interesting so
Hi this is Paul brechner director of technology policy for the chamber of digital commerce.
Is admit I'm calling from India.
Research working
So that's all about me. Also, I will come running my own company sign credit for granted in India in a rifle.
Thank you.
Hi I'm Bobby from Lego Academy here to help in supporting the libraries and the repositories.
And we'd missing anybody errors. Everyone who was just just being spoken.
Hi, I'm just let it that when congratulations on being the new leader for the team. Yes, I am an independent consultant working
With different clients out in the field from healthcare to telecoms, but also participating on different ledger hyper ledger, you might say body. So congratulations again.
Thanks for the kind words. Leonard
Anybody else want to hop in. Before we start going through
The agenda.
I don't know if you can hear me.
Yes, oh, I've been coming in and out. I have a bad internet connection, but it's Bobby and I'm here from Western education here to support the group with the libraries and then repositories.
Great, Bobby. We hear you loud and clear. Anybody else want to make any comments before we start kicking off the agenda.
I'll take that as we're ready to go. Great. Anyway, thank you everyone for joining and hopefully you've all received the agenda.
I don't always have to make the agenda, but I did yesterday, so we can discuss that. But number one is, I'm the new chair. So unless anybody wishes very urgently to be the chair. I'm happy and honored to serve as the
Master of Ceremonies on the calls to serve everybody else and their needs for making the public sector working group.
Function and do the things that you need to have value. So it's a great honor and really appreciate that. And essentially, consider me someone who will direct traffic and try to Marshall focus and direction but
That's that. If anybody has any questions about this or any other leadership positions there complimentary on the working group, this would be great time to raise those questions.
Okay presume everybody is happy in agreement with that, or at least reasonably accepting
Second on the agenda social learning. So one thing that's been under consideration and recommended is the use of these calls as an opportunity to peer share
Experiences with implementations projects are failures are learnings experiments and whatnot using Hyper ledger for a public sector type of application or something that would be reasonably relevant for those in the public sector looking to incorporate a hyper ledger block chain so
It would be great if anybody
On the call is interested in signing up to present for the next caller the call after that. So we could start to have something to look forward to, and learn from
So opening it up to see if anybody would like to make a short presentation, maybe, you know, in the 10 to 15 minute range that can move up or down about their work that we could schedule in for the next two calls
Over
We're about six weeks or so from publicly launching our first service so
We could
Working code and
All that
That sounds great.
They're in books.
That sounds very useful. Okay, great. JOHN, then we'll slate you for a presentation for two weeks from now if you could just send you know how you'd like it described on the agenda.
at your earliest convenience, then
That would be great. We're really looking forward to that anyone else.
Okay, great. Well, then we'll look forward to John's presentation for our next call and thank you john for stepping up and sharing a work in progress. That will be very interesting and useful for the participants.
Shall we move on to somebody else, kicking it
No.
Problem. Oh, great. Thanks so much.
Okay. Next on the agenda is update on the hyper ledger global form submission
Marta, would you like to talk about that.
Yes, sorry to jump in. I was muted.
If someone for a you knows also someone who's not part of that group that would be to present
That's a great point.
Let's, let's bear that in mind and hope everyone's looking for us to bring other somebody else jumping in.
Yeah, raise it silent fellow, I can probably do.
A presentation on one of
The pilots were doing in the UK with food standards agency, because it's
The problem we have obviously with government is a lot of the stuff we're doing is under NDA. And the moment until the government's ready to
Publish or publicize it. So with this one is in the public domain. So
Happy to do that. My the problem I have at the moment is just his vacation coming up so
It would be
So I'm just so I basically I'm out for the next well next two weeks time I could do something, but I'm probably in Australia. So the time zone probably wouldn't work particularly well
But then that I'm on holiday. So, so if you can put me down for later. I'm happy to do to do that.
Sounds like it'll be worth the wait.
And definitely would want you to enjoy your vacation without being concerned about presentation. So I think that sounds like a wonderful opportunity.
To learn
In a few weeks. Once you're back.
This call happens every two weeks.
And is
Hyper ledger community calendar. So perhaps if you could just have a think about it and get in touch via the email group or via chat with the dates that you think would be best for you.
Then we will reserve that spot for when you're ready, but that sounds like it will absolutely be worth the wait. And quite interesting. So thank you for offering to share
Alright.
Let's presume that if anybody else would like to hop in with offers to present, then you could interrupt and jump in at any moment.
But we can move on to Agenda Item number three, about the the form submission and marked. I know you were the front lines of that. Would you like to talk a bit about that.
Yes, thank you. Can everyone hear me loud and clear.
Okay, great. So we have submitted the proposal that was up on the Google Docs. We found the right four panelists rose agreed to moderate the panel.
We will now be waiting for the response.
You can go out into the archive and also I can follow up the agenda.
With the agenda email. Sorry, I will follow up with an email to the agenda email with the link so that it's convenient for you.
If you have any questions about the submission. I'm happy to answer them.
Sounds like everyone's satisfied. Okay. Well, I encourage everyone who's interested to take a look at the submission and
For those who are involved. Obviously, if this is ago then intensively plan, a little bit more around it. So let's wait to hear and looking forward to hopefully an exciting panel at the end of the year at the forum.
Well then let's move on to number four.
Deciding our first group project. So obviously, the purpose of this working group is to
Do things activities, create resources share information technical knowledge that would be useful and compelling to the members.
We had a survey that went around and there was quite a bit of interest in use cases. But there are other directions we could take, given that we're a relatively
You know, limited number at the moment and say this call it would seem best that we will coalesce around one focus or perhaps to to really get some traction on
Rather than do everything on all the list of possibilities. So we'd like to open up the call for input in discussion on what might be the highest value and most interesting
Issue or project to focus on as a group that you would find valuable or interesting personally. So like I said, case studies are use cases was a frequent Lee appearing item, but interested to hear on the call. What would be compelling to you over.
So raise. It's not on. So that is a pretty huge question, I guess.
We are not sure we've got that, apart from john i'm not sure we've got that many government agency.
People on the call actually
Maybe then we can all focus on my problem.
Yeah, exactly. Charlie.
Could take this moment john and start running with it.
sort of joking.
But i mean i mean i
Mean, I'll show you in a couple weeks. But I mean, our, our main focus in terms of this, you know, sort of decentralized
Technology is on know ultimately on identity.
And we're, we're, you know, sort of strongly pursuing the the domain of verifiable credentials.
And decentralized identifiers and hence looking at, you know, hyper ledger India and other Standards and Technology around that.
Because we basically we want to be able to have, you know, trusted digital identity for citizens.
For businesses and ultimately we want to be able to have people be able to go and transact on behalf of businesses, you know, at large in the economy.
In a way that backed by government trust.
Like, like we do today in the world.
You know, the world has a lot of problems.
And I guess it's not there, but then also with fraud and all that. And I guess the government
Is one source of trust and some might argue
Some governments better than others.
Or more than others. Yeah.
And then, then there are other sources of trust.
I mean like bank. So I guess.
Sure, yeah.
And
You know, other corporates that might be recognized as trusting
And then universities, you know, degrees and stuff like that so
Now one of the
Problem or sorry, go ahead.
No go
Totally agree. I mean, I mean, we're trying to enable it for ourselves and the government that purpose into general purpose capability. So it could be your judo
Club. You know, when I
Say trust. I mean, like, we want to be able to have the ability to have it go from, you know, one, one, you know, from
A to B, and it's trustworthy way so that we know that they came from a and to be altered and their remarkable, but whether or not you believe a trustworthy entity and did their job in the right way. That's a different question.
So there is work in Canada on that, for example, to sort of trust framework work. Yes, for sure. Sure. The, the goal is to enable any actor in the economy, to be able to
interact in a technically trustworthy way and then you know the other bits of trust.
happening outside the technical sorry to interrupt you.
Say I i've seen quite a lot of discussion around trust frameworks and they are
Traditionally applied to identity. Well, that's where you usually see it referred to
Question for the team.
One of the things we are struggling well
Yeah, one of the things we're struggling with
Which I'll talk to and I talk about food standards agency is when we start deploying networks true networks. So I
With
A larger number of organizations that are collectively
Involved in a single scenario or use sort of law.
Use case at the highest level, for example, farm to fork.
There needs to be in order for these networks to be or block chain to be truly self governing
And independent of a single, single agency.
There needs to be trust.
Amongst the members of that network as well. So as anybody come across the concept or thoughts or being involved in developing trust networks trust frameworks for
You know networks, other than identity.
Maybe we don't call them.
You know, and in supply chain.
Context or health care you know you have like standards on
How to exchange information. So, you know, in the old school, Ed, I have
Now, more like for business language.
These kinds of concepts that were used to getting together in sort of vertical and saying, here's how we're going to exchange it for me. Those are kind of technical means. But I think in politically the trust is there between the actors like those are business arrangement train
So I don't think it's far like I don't think it's like a big, you know, to think that these networks will emerge where data exchange.
That the originator of the data.
Are known, that's a big problem on the internet is we can't know to the original Adrian data in a
Way.
Which we were already trust my bank.
You know,
Well, sort of trust. When I mean, not really.
You know, practically speaking with my money.
So anyways, some fun.
Yeah. Hi, this is Leonard quite well said john and Alan. It's an ongoing problem that I think
Globally, everyone's trying to tackle.
Now, with regards to identity and privacy and therefore the trust concept in terms of Do you trust an organization that's providing you a certificate on behalf of its owner
And basically did a valid trust as certificate and can you basically
Confirm the contents of that certificate. So literally, I lived in England, many years ago and and I moved to Canada.
And I was asked to provide
Certification going back to the US and I had started wearing back to you can have to contact my Polytechnic back in the UK to forward transcripts.
And the bonafide certificates. So you'll still have that degree of how do we establish trust in the world today.
In the mall developed countries, it's easier in the lesser developed world, it's a lot more difficult because sometimes people don't have identities and this is what the United Nations is grappling where if you don't have to be a refugee. You could be just be an ordinary citizen.
On the poverty line without too much you
Might say access to even bank funds, where the bank knows you, the local bank notes you because you may not even have that relationship. So it's an ongoing problem that is not easily solved. I think by one or two trust frameworks.
Because they'll always be gaps and limitations and that's where the New World, the blockchain comes in because blockchain does
Apply some degree of trust in that you can you can you can transact not knowing who the person is because of it. Sam, it's decentralization and it's immutability and the fact that you have consensus.
Within a block chain environment that's when you better small part of the puzzle. The bigger part as you said john and Alan is how do we now standardize that in the terms of the flame well
That'd be kind of look all agree well will apply it will work properly and the accurate in every situation. So it's an ongoing problem and lots of people are trying to tackle it within hyper ledger. We have an identity for
Working Group as well that's trying to tackle the same problems of trust and identity and privacy and all of these things. So I think literally bringing these
Concepts up
I last talked about use cases will
Eventually alive at the point where we understand ball and can look towards the light use cases that might cover trust frameworks and how do we start putting together by learning from all the different groups are working on that. What might be the best best practice moving forward.
Thanks for that comment. Leonard. This is rose
Yeah, I see from Marcha can lender talk about the identity working group findings that's that's a similar question.
What maybe we
Could take some advantage for some of the learnings from that working group in terms of directions, but also to arc back to Alan in terms of your question. When you're looking for trust frameworks to deploy true networks have large numbers of organizations.
You are looking for trust frameworks that were side from identity. Is that correct,
Yeah, I'm just sort of questioning the price it. So how do we deploy this for real. And how do I went
When someone joins as a member of the network.
How do we, how do we establish trust with that with that organization that they know they are who they say they are and they are, and it's and it's appropriate that they should be part of the network.
And that we trust when they you know if they're involved in consensus. Do we trust what they're saying, or are they
Are like bad actors.
This seems like a really fairly cross cutting topic, but for fundamental identity. But even if identity somehow could be validated.
The inherent value of this person or this entity in the group is what you're saying.
Can we verify, not just who they are. But what they are in their intention ality as well as just that a bit softer question around how does a group build trust and build momentum together.
Which is
What a tech question but somewhat not. Is that right,
Yeah, it's not really a tech question. It's more of a because where I'm I come from a business background I'm not usually technical so
My, my.
remitted at what my work at the moment is trying to work with.
Governments about how do you implement this for real in a wide
Net, you know, not just in your own organization or not just between your direct interactions.
But actually, how do you implement this more widely across it and industry over which you might regulate but over with whom you don't have. Well, you don't have direct connections to transactions with everybody in the in the in the group.
That seems quite interesting and relevant. Does anyone else want to either add on to Alan or John's areas of focus in terms of further points. Our refinement or want to propose another area to focus on, or do we
Live in want
To drive towards something. Yes, jumping in.
No, I'm definitely learned hair. What I see so far the field because as an independent consultant working many different types of
Industry verticals some insurance to finance as a small start up in France, trying to do a guy on the block chain and that takes back goes back to identity as well and privacy and all kinds of
How do you identify a person and ensure that that person's data wallet has to lie to information and it's because you know exactly who you're dealing with flex output. So literally, and and backend and Canada.
As john said we have many different government in areas, including health care that is looking at blockchain. So it's an ongoing problem, but we can start
With say hyppolite the ledger Indians does have that
That identity module. I can't speak much about. But I think, who was it was it Alan john but said that you come to use nature and I'm
In BC, it has part of a framework at its basis and I've had discussions with some of the people within the athlete consortium.
And it is credible, but it's not a complete system, yet it's everything is evolutionary will add a point where everything is evolving as we normal
And that's all I can say. But we can certainly worth a look at what indies doin
And looking at if there's any gaps in terms of doing gap analysis with regards to the use cases, we want to implement, whether it's from a business perspective.
Or health care or even in Charlotte's because insurances started the gap up with blocked rate.
At the same time, identity in Tennessee and all these things are part of that. So look at the use cases we have look at the gaps that probably in the provides in terms of during the gap analysis.
And that should help us to see exactly what are the missing pieces with regards to how best we can implement a solution that will cater for all in every different environment. The thing that's all I that's all I see now based on my understanding that the search im doing
Good.
You're jumping in. So it seems like we have three proposed directions of a group focus
John wants the ability to
Make sure it fits go from A to B in a verifiable way so that looking at a technical solution and to have that technical solution be trustworthy. Is that a correct summary john
I mean, I mean, once we do
Once I show you guys what we're up to. I mean, it's not that I want that it's we have that
Pretty close to having that. Very good.
So,
So I can show you guys what it is, as far as
Far as indies concerned we know you know quite a lot about it.
We've been working on it for almost a year now. So
Today was we can share what we've learned and see where, you know, see how that contributes
That's for sure. If the network in the end. And so from a government perspective, we want you know this all to be. And the reason we're investing in, it is all is because we
Want you know interoperability and open standards and so forth.
We're very interested in that. We want our citizens tab choice in terms of how they manage their identity software system they choose.
To you can support. That's why we're painting.
So in
Terms of and ask from the group.
If you were to mean what, what, exactly, because I heard from Allen, who I think very clearly defined that he would
Be very interested in trust framework information specifically ones that went beyond simple identity, but more into how do you build a functional group of
Unlike and unknown but interrelated actors as one potential direction to research about what is there already developed from your perspective.
What would be useful group project or group effort that you would find immediately useful in your work if anything comes to mind.
When you think we could build on what Alan thing there. Because in the end, you know, we have we have parallel than the world today, like, you know, we have a we have an
International Organization that makes
Passports work.
Right, we trust passports from quite a lot of countries between each other so finding ways to help people understand that we can do the same different sectors, maybe like a helpful tool so that we don't conflate the technical debt.
Split the
That we already know how to do.
It's not like we're not collaborating today in the world.
Certainly true. Does anyone else want to hop in about this discussion thread.
Or
Any other very specific
Direction or suggestion.
Also heard from Leonard who thought we could all work to support hyper ledger indeed on their identity module, which is another direction. Anything else that people would like to raise as a putting
Ads Los Angeles. Just to add to what you've just said you submit to as a base because a lot of known about it and trying to understand where the gaps might be
Lifted God's to the other use cases are the requirements that say, Alan. They want from a business perspective. So that will then help us to understand if it does have any feelings or shortcomings.
And then we can build on that as a base because we are trying to standardize everything
And best practice is so important, but we didn't fully understand what are the missing parts in terms of providing a standardized solution out in the market that would cover all industries and different actors in each industry, for example, but it will make a good start. I think for that.
Thanks for that clarification, Leonard
Anyone else want to jump in with other ideas. Our do we feel like we can talk through these
Potential areas of focus and see, are we ready as a
Group.
To wish.
invest some time as a group in either of these directions or do we feel like we're not quite ready to make a decision, which is also fine.
And anybody else like to jump in that hasn't spoken.
Complicated.
Thinking that we are all representing some kind of public sector institutions and we have thing points that we want, we see every day.
So maybe it would be worth sharing, like, you know, Florida is the biggest problem or the biggest challenge that you say see the day to day work because that will point us in the direction where we can actually provide some analysis of that.
So I think you're absolutely right. We need to be capturing the pain points rose. But unfortunately, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think john is the only government
agency representative on the call.
Today,
You
Collaborate with public sector.
As consultants is
I guess I hope
Yes.
Yeah, I certainly agree with Martin factor. I think we'll
All more or less converging around the same ball of wax, so to speak. Yeah, because their pain points in every industry for the cold and wet add some business to healthcare to insurance.
To government overall and government has many different sectors and all the sectors, I spoke about their part of government, when you think about it. So literally, they all pain points. Some have been addressed but example.
Hi. Pleasure ND. It's definitely addressing some of these pain points in terms of a solution, but there are many others at Martin has said. So yeah, we're trying to converge on the same big problem, which is a ball of wax, but we just need to start somewhere.
So,
If you look at. So here I'll just throw in some
If I think about
What I'm saying and I look at all the other stuff going on in look at
The possibility for this group. I mean, what would be helpful, I think, is that
If there is a way to work at helping decision makers understand
It's early in the morning here.
Like we're not technical group here like and there's lots of other work going on and the technical rounds. So if we take that as a given, if we if we figure that
You know, the technology is going to give us the capability that we don't have now a way to you know get from A to B, or whatever it is.
What are the things that are going to block adoption of this technology which we think is going to be good. I mean, I assume we're here because we think there's something helpful coming out of all of this activity and how can we do something that's going to help decision makers like
When I go and present to the deputy ministers, you know, who are the heads of our departments or you know even presented to the ministers, a week or two ago you know we don't talk about technology. We talked about
A little bit more in the realm of what Alan talking about how do we how do we
How do we help actors in the economy work together.
Given this, they now have a new technological means to share
The PIC contrast like public sector working group can help with adoption, from the point of view of the social
Or whatever you want to call it, decision making level type stuff to me that's a value essentially
Saying, for example, in the year in the European Union, not in Europe generally one of the biggest problems right now is immigration.
So,
How an PART OF THAT JOHN Is exactly what you're doing right so it's how do we know who it is that we're talking to
Or at the border.
And then how do we track those individuals.
Through the various parts of Europe, because we have freedom of movement movement across your
So,
You know, so, so can can because you've got 27 or 28 countries at the moment shortly to be 27
With you, you know, how do you
How do you each of those has has a silo set of information at their Immigration. Border systems. So it knows anything to do with sharing information across the EU boundaries has to be perfect space for block chain.
Another
Approach like taking a big problem, like a big problem here, for example, is homelessness. Yes.
And that's all tied into ultimately I think strongly related to
Our inability to know basically corporate beneficial ownership.
So corporations are buying real estate and we don't know who owns those Corporation
So,
You know, but that's another area where in like a lot of these patterns are information asymmetry.
Yes, we simply simply
Paper.
That are too slow. And two, and then don't know there aren't
People to be shared and the world is moving along in a much faster pace.
Or has these organizational boundaries like country.
Yes, which are artificial, to be honest, which again, like, you know,
For sure.
And the technology agnostic to that.
Yeah.
So that's another kind of high level thing. So that's another possibility.
But again, not just the technological problem, of course, very
Well, there's a lot of fascinating elements rose here.
Okay.
So that we can. Are you going to happen tomorrow todo for
Thank you. So I think that you're getting into something, Jonathan. This could be a very good thing because we have
A dentist group that is working on identity identify
What are the aspects of how they can do that. However, the problem was adoption and attacked yet. We didn't trust this technology because it's technology anyway. Hi. So people are technology of hers. Most of the time.
Looking at how can we support that. Where are the fears.
And how can we change this user inputs understanding human mandate, rather than acknowledges language can be very productive the outcome of this group. And so I think that we can all contribute to not only representatives of governments or only emphasizes are already consultants.
That's great, Alan. Does any of this discussion around
Influencing decision makers resonate with any of your work line as well, or is it a bit separate
Sagan resonate with one
In terms of we
We are. We seem to be biting around two balls right here. One is generalized trust frameworks. And the other is, how do you essentially explained in package, the idea of block chain solutions to non technical government sector decision makers to make it
A an acceptable solution which is a slightly actually a different topic so checking in with you as well as with
Anybody else this is second topic intersect with your needs at all or is that something that you feel it's pretty wrapped up from there. I think he will be
Will be relevant.
You know cuz I just sort of compare block chain with the internet, right. We don't today have lots of detail discussions to explain to people how the internet works.
To be right. People just know what the internet is and then everybody does.
So it kind of in a way where 20 years behind for block chain from the internet. But it's some it's the same sort of concept. It's an underlying capability that people
Either don't understand deliberately because they don't want to change what they're doing, or they don't.
They can't visualize how it will impact the day to day lives which take which for the in case of the internet. It took it took until Facebook can ebay and Google came out in the early 2000s, before we really understood what what the internet could do
For us.
And so therefore, I'm just thinking, yes we we we do definitely need to get our messaging around what blockchain can do for people
Had a very simplistic level that's non technical
I'm an eye for better or for worse. I just use now the phrase, it's all about sharing data securely and off right enabling
processes running across organizational boundaries or country boundaries. In the case of the so
But it but people don't necessarily really understand what that means, until you actually get down into a use case and describe and this means that you can go from. Yeah, we don't even arrives at the bill a Bulgarian border.
And all the Hungarian border and and we can track them all the way through to wherever they will wherever they need to go.
I also agree that it would be a good
Thing to do because this is something that I do regularly going to speak to government employees, trying to explain the possibilities and we have some like joint effort.
Yeah app ourselves with ideas have to communicate and Sam.
Most well the technical stuff is explained quite quick and I think people understand it, but the impact and the possibilities.
People don't seem to have like their instant imagination. What they do now with this technology.
Hi, Bonnie here on the part of the working group for training and education and they have great basic resources on teaching block chain that everyone in the hyper ledger organization has access to. I can go through a few of them and get some really
To understand ones and have them available for our next meeting. If that is okay with group.
I
Mean what what I always challenge my guys obviously IBM is a very technical or orientated organization is I don't want to hear. I don't want to hear anyone talk about nodes, right. So explain
Or or a fabric or you know any of that stuff so
No, I understand. I can get something from the slides that are available together and we can see where we can go from there.
Was to be good.
That sounds like a good starting point.
Bobby, would you like to set aside a portion of next calls meeting to really walk us through some of these materials and organize a discussion around them and see whether they might be suitable for some of the members problems.
That would be great.
fanbase. Okay, great. If you would send her on how you would like that to be titled, that would be very helpful and will slot you in along with john for the next call as a starting point.
May I then suggest, since we're getting starting, but I think we need some more buying in momentum before going deeper by think Bobby will will get us started on a good go of how do we translate block chain in layperson friendly terms.
Shall we move on to our last agenda item and with the knowledge that will return on every call to refine what our work product should be, would that be fine with everyone. Then
Yes.
Yeah. Okay, great.
The last item is new members and building momentum. So this group will be more interesting and more valuable to all of us, if we have more members from diverse points of views and perspectives, but specifically
entities that are working on public sector implementations either inside or outside external internal to public sector agencies so that we really are focused on
Generating value for people and get the right sort of amount of them collaborations going
To that. And I'd like to open a discussion on how might we increase the membership as well as thinking about, who else might we be able to invite personally to start to broaden this out, and how might this
Be presented so that it can be shown to be of interest. So let's open up the group and think about what we could do to get more collaboration going
Hi, Bobby again.
I'm not attending the Google form.
But I think we should probably have some kind of marketing materials for group either a postcard or something to hand out to generate interest for when people leave the forum to look at and remember who we are and what we do.
That's like a good idea. No. Did we should have some marketing materials at the global farm in December.
Anybody else, any thoughts.
All right, I'll rephrase it.
What would it take to make any of you interested in sharing this group with your peers and colleagues, either in your organization or outside of it so that you would feel confident that this would be interesting for them and useful.
Its body again. I have a hyper ledger meetup coming in at the end of August, and I'm trying to
Work with David Boswell on what we're actually going to presented that meeting again I will present our group as part of my discussion and invite people to join that and somehow see if I can get other meetups to
advertiser market, our group as well.
See like good efforts anyone else.
Like the project we're working on is actually joint project with the government of Ontario.
And
kehrmann agency and the government of
Canada, so I will do my best to get my colleagues and we can we do sometimes do like a joint presentations.
So, which works really well. So hopefully might take might then take a little longer than 15 minutes but potentially could have Ontario in Canada join in the next call
That seems like a great idea, that would be great if Ontario could join and
I'm sure everybody would be interested to
Hear
Any other ideas.
Going once, going twice. Alright. It sounds like we will just continue this discussion, but really need to think, honestly, and clearly as a group.
But what our strategies will be to bring in more members and specifically colleagues who are working directly in the public sector so that this becomes a
Group that will have enough network effect and value for everyone. So I really urge everyone to think a bit about
What would be necessary for them to feel comfortable to invite a few colleagues to join.
And really specify in your mind what that would take, and then we could discuss this offline if that would be better for you or through chat or through email.
And start to think about making this a proposition that will be worth everybody's time and effort. So does anybody else want to jump in with more comments around this topic.
All right. Well, then, would anybody else like to add any other points before we close out our call
Okay, that sounds like raw satisfied. Hopefully for the moment.
It's been a great pleasure directing traffic essentially I think cheering for you. But really,
Looking forward to building more momentum and to learning on our next call we've already got two really interesting things that we can look forward to
One from Bobby's going to be joining us some of the materials on how to teach and explain hyper ledger ideally to lay people so they conceptually can understand the value
And also to john and his colleagues in Ontario, hopefully, who will be giving us some real live preview of what you're building
So this will be great and be great if everyone could think about both of these topics and what you might want to share with the group next time.
About either clarifying for decision makers or how we might go about and a group project or offering that would help everyone
Or what you'd like to share next. So that's everything for me and many thanks to everyone. If anyone else would like to say goodbye or making it their comments please jump in. Now,
Well, thank you, Rose and to certainly a very good call. I appreciate everything you've done enjoyed it and really good content. Thanks again, everyone. Have a good day. Thanks.
Thank you and have a great weekend.