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glad you made it in time. We're really
Looking forward to your presentation. Maria
Thank you. Thank you, Rose. Yeah.
We'll start in about five minutes.
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glad that you're here early just mute your mics and we'll get started in about four minutes.
Okay, thanks. Thank you.
Hi everyone this is Rose here. Glad you are already joining us. We'll get started in two minutes, so looking forward to our presentation, very soon.
Hi everyone this is row Schumann, I'm the chair of the public sector working group, as I think most you know at this point. And essentially, the person who guides the flow of the call. It's two past the hour. So why don't we get started.
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Why don't we go around and make a round of introductions like
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John Jordan from province of BC.
Um, it's nice to meet you in the environment.
Tony Hussein from why former
Great.
Anybody else want to introduce themselves before we jump in.
Okay, well thanks to everybody who introduced themselves. And thanks to everybody who's here.
Row Schumann, I'm the chair of this group, aka urban who directs the traffic. So without further ado, we're just going to dive into our agenda today.
We're going to open with a pretty exciting presentation from you and rendova on fleet management by a blockchain. We're then going to chat about the upcoming hyper ledger global forum and get some input about question that we feel like shouldn't be posed to the panelists.
The two panels. There were description shared three Dell say eat for price suggested a conversation topic, while back.
And we can go into it, which is about hyper ledger composer to fold into fabric, there's interest. We can talk about it.
And then just some admin and checking in on just the group. Specifically, it looks like we might need to find a new volunteer to
Upload presentations to the wiki unless Kumar is here but haven't seen him lately, so it'd be great to check in on that and find somebody else who might want to share that with him. Okay, I'm going to turn it over to Moldova, please take it away.
Thank you. It was a very nice presentation. I did not know that un Moldova and particularly with management system is such an interesting solution on blockchain. Well, I will love I'll be very brief. Let me share the screen with you the presentation that we have
The seed.
Just let me know if you can see it. Okay, perfect. Yeah.
Yeah, I know it's
Presentation mode yet, but we do here.
Yep. Okay. So,
I will give you a short context. So why did we need management system.
Un uses a number of cars as support for you and agencies and the projects and they are operation, the cars when a managed by different agencies in Moldova.
So the reason up when women, so on and so forth. And in some instances for projects that have cars and projects that don't have Christ like my lab, although innovation that we don't have a car. Some agencies as our some some projects as I was, as I mentioned,
Because we don't have cars we require them for
Any kind of transportation for official purposes. That means that in most cases we use text services. We use Texas services, which is firstly costly and, secondly,
It does make the most out of the fleet that we have at UN so we decided that we actually wanted to to mix two things together to have
A very comprehensive and robust information on how the cars and UN agencies are used and projects are used and weather is the reason need to have that amount of cars in our fleet or if we can make it more efficient and
Also asked the concept of blocky so you and I was interested in Moldova Social Innovation Lab, because we are experimenting around with new technologies in public sector, we were eager to jump into this
Initiative into this pilot and test how blockchain would work for us, Moldova, firstly, and then secondly, see how that could be scaled up to the government level.
The challenges that we had at that time. What was that we were lot lacking centralized centralized booking system.
A universal Anna Maria, sorry.
To interrupt this is Rose. Do you mind switching to presentation mode, we see office timeline and okay
Okay, that's perfect. Thank you. So
Much. Yeah.
So, so when when somebody was was a need for a car, the most usual thing that he or she was doing as just give a call to the driver or send him an email. And you can imagine that
From time to time. When you would need a car like I know you would actually need a car for 3pm but it's it's 2pm or it's 230 and the driver.
On the on on his way to another meeting and there was this lack of information centralized somewhere so people would actually know if there is a car available or not so
In many cases, it was a very burdensome mobilization of have a car.
When you needed to to leave the city. So if you have a meeting outside of the capital that would mean need for that would mean that you'd have to actually planted a couple of days had
And if you would need that you probably have to rent a car or rent the current driver from an agency, not an UN agency, but a private company that is
Is offering you have that kind of service. Well, there are cars in Uganda, where cars in new engine idle. So they were just
Not used by the by the people who who have them in their as their efforts. So that was the kind of the challenge that we had at that moment, what we
Would actually put on paper before looking into the solution is we map the process and we discovered three types of
Users that would have in the in the system and the solution would have a client driver and somebody from finance would actually approve a for one of the request is cost efficient.
I'm here you see a situation where, for example, the reason someone from a say I am from my lab is project if you end up if we all have a car and I would like to book one
Book request for a car and the driver from you end up that would be a renting type of request in this case.
I would have to pay to so or the project would have to pay to end up as certain on the money for the for that ride. The same happens if I will either is a car have available in the driver available from a different agency and I will
Book it from a different ages. So, this is this was one of the things that we consider it as some as the advantage as we have not physically all the cards in one fleet and administratively, but we can use the services of a different agents your project, project via
Cherry
Or every time you have to we have two types of requests, you have the regular request, where you you actually work for the
Project or for the agency that you are taking it in the car phone
Or you have the renting type of request if you don't work for them. But you need the card. That means that you write your rented in cases where you it's a regular type of request, you have the data logged on blockchain into instances and it's
The first one, one request was created and initiated and
In the end, when it is. It was actually done and closed, but on the in the second type of far request like wrenching request, you would actually log on blockchain the data.
Every change of status. So if your request has shifted from one status to another. Every time it has changed this it status. You have it locked on blockchain.
So how does it work. Another thing that we were discovering and we were thinking that would be an advantage of the system is to reduce the costs of sharing the cars and because we have
People from various projects, working together on various initiatives.
From the country office working for example with one of the projects and they have joined meetings with their counterparts.
We have the join an existing as always as first option. So you basically put in the date the time for the date and the address that.
Where you would like to go and you'd see who else is going or has created it has already created that request and you'll just join them and you don't have to make an additional requests. Therefore, you will have the project or the agency will have less expenses in terms of
fuel consumed and other things that would be needed, and the time with the driver, which is also a very important test for him because drivers in our case, don't just perform
The role of drivers, but sometimes they drive documents to the bank, or they perform various tourists when those are needed.
How does it work. So we have the app, which is available for the driver and we have a desk a web application, which is available for everyone who wants to join it and
At this stage we are piloting the solution, together with the country office. Most of you are, you end up country office and
Some projects is going up. So every time you make requests every season station, he, he can see his actual schedule every morning or at every time with the day he can call the passengers. If somebody is late he puts in the data or the odometer values when she starts to creep.
So on and so forth. So every stage of the trip is is registered
In cases where something happens to the car or
The reason need to sleep, actually, that request into
Sweden for it that request to to some other driver because of for various situations, the driver can can perform it using the app that he has on his phone. So he just taps.
On one button. And this is very simple. He's just inputs. A message a short message why he should he or she should forward that request to somebody else.
In terms of reports, because this is also something that we were thinking that would generate the data that we were lacking. So we wanted to have a very comprehensive
Report on on the consumption of fuel on the use of cars on the workloads on the drive of drivers, so we we have is the report ethical drivers and the most part I think is a mutual consent or the mutual settlement report. So basically,
B2C or projects. They don't have to pay for every transportation request that they have made.
They pay only for the difference and it's
It's set for
Certain periods. For example, if we like agency to agency or agency to project we set a period of three months or every six months. Then we look into the data and we just see if if I'm from UN dp and I have used I know for $1 is
This is just some mockups for data that we have here is, let's say I have used $500 request and in the amount of $500 and UN Women has his requests in the amount of $100 you only pay the difference. So you and women place, you end up with
Some, some things and figures some data that we have on the piloting period.
This was from one of the presentations that I had in July, is that we have, I think, right now, more than 1000 total requests recreated we have both regular requests and friend request.
Our drivers.
We can actually see the cost of over overall over time travel of the drivers, we have
The value of rent request an old data on the cars. What happens to them if they go into the car shop every time they need to go to go to pull up to put in some more fuel, so on and so forth. So even if the driver.
Is on leave, we can see that in the system system so you cannot select the driver because he's leaving his officially unavailable. So the driver can detach were attached himself to the car every time he wants or needs it.
This is basically it in a couple of words if
If it made sense where if you have any questions, just feel free to share them.
Wonderful.
Thanks so much, Mariana for sharing this overview and in the chat boxes here. We've already got some questions going. So I encourage those who've been putting some questions in the chat box to turn on your mics and ask, and let's get the conversation going.
Politely waiting to go in order response.
You can always equate so
We also have a
I have. I just forgot to mention, I have a colleague of mine who is responsible, who is the ICT assistant at UN DP country office. So he is the one
I'm also helping me and
While he's actually the one behind all the technical stuff and he could answer because I can see a couple of technical questions here you could answer more about on the technical aspects.
JOHN Is that you, yeah. Yeah.
John from Canada.
Yeah, we were just, you know, sort of standard questions. Maybe you can tell us a bit about
The conversations and thinking around
The technology we chose. I'm not sure which blockchain technology. I'm assuming for the hyper ledger maybe hyper ledger fabric.
And then also, I was curious about it if you are running like a block chain network kind of a little bit about the governance of that.
I let my colleague to cover me on that Gabrielle
Hello.
Hello. Yes, I
Can hear you. Yes.
Also tie and also someone who might be typing maybe should consider muting and Gabrielle be great to hear your answer, as well as a quick introduction from yourself.
Yeah, I'm getting bill so I'm a teacher service delivery originated up Moldova and working through this together with my on this project and
I can say a little bit about the technology because the product is developed by another company, and it's not yet finished.
So about the blockchain technology. It's as a outages said it's hyper ledger fabric, an open source project. So we have PHP on the service side together with Node JS and
On the blind side to have a TypeScript here.
Everything worsen want to serve to give you a Docker containers and what else can I say is that now.
The whole infrastructure stays on kinds of beautiful machine and then future
We would like to move everything to to our
Offices. I mean to have this notes on separate locations. So each agency should have a note.
And finally, we will have full picture of this concept gone working and
Hopefully,
We will provide you feedback regarding the technology now at the moment. Unfortunately, it's not finished. What, what can I save it.
As you already
Know that it's a private block chain. So we don't think about anything public, now it's not the case. And we were interested in this technology and using this project.
We had the big, big
Goal to test it to see how it works and to use it in our similar project, maybe for our partners for development partners for
Other
I know
If I find my jump in here is that
Is the first block chain based project in the in the Republic of Moldova, certainly there was no company at that moment who actually had experience working with blockchain. The were several people if you may call them influencers
Who are trying to
speak publicly a lot about the technology and the potential of it, but now them actually have the experience in working practically with blocked so because I can see a question here. The name of the company that did the development and implementation.
We might I would I would I would actually say that it doesn't really depends on the name of the company depends on the experience that they have in our case it was the place, it's, it's nice to be a local ICT company.
But it the road to where we are right now was pretty happy and bumpy from time to time because of their legs experience and
Because of this, in some cases, because of our only theoretical experience on how a blockchain based system should work and we
Of course, we have seen the, the, the environment where a lot of people who are interested in blockchain. We have seen in developing of in the last like year or maybe even less than a year. We have several startups here in in Moldova that work also
externally to in the Netherlands or in other countries European countries that provide blockchain solution potions open source solutions so
We at the moment the contract was signed, and the company was selected. We were in a different setting. Currently, if I was to to have a screening, but the companies that actually work with blockchain. I'm
In probably maybe, I don't know. We have a better a greater pool of companies were to choose from.
So the reason why blockchain. As I was mentioning in the beginning. Of course we can use any type of centralized database. The idea was to test how the technology is working brilliantly. We have a government which is
Hosting my lab and which is the implementing partner of my lab and we are located in the center of the government, of course, that is
Afraid of trust is built between us and them and we were thinking that block change showcasing the experience that we have with blocking would actually
built some kind of trust with the government in the block chain solution and solutions, not just this one but everything else that concerns blockchains block chain solutions and is applied to how the government is performing in terms of services college
Policies. Sorry, I
Hope that answered your questions.
That's great. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for that.
I see some questions in the chat box from Tony Hussein.
Gabrielle Gabrielle, sorry, are you able to read the questions in the chat box.
Yes, throws. I think I just mentioned them, I answered them place as a company, you know, it's okay. I was just the multitasking at this time of Friday evening.
Sorry, it's a Friday evening for me too, and
That's
All right, so
Does anybody want to follow up on anything that Mariana very efficiently went through in terms of questions.
Okay, I'll ask the question.
What has been the response.
From the government side of this solution in terms of their response and interest and how are you talking. How are those conversations with them going.
So the government knows about this solution at this time. They are not that open to to testing the technology internally, because we are heading into the elections, period.
And which is quite a tricky period here in additional we're having
Local not local. But national elections in a new format in February next year and almost all public entities are already preparing for
All that is going to happen during this call, or the beginning of winter.
As
As generally solution as a fleet management system concerns that we see potential for the system, not only in from the perspective of the government, but also from other he sees what other country offices in the region that would be interested in testing.
So the, the problem, problem using the car fleet is pretty common to I think most of the countries that I'm aware of. And having something that nobody has tested before quite interesting.
But let's see how it goes. At this time, what we intend to do is to have a successful pilot being period and see how we manage to transfer all the we have into our on our machines or find a different solution that because, as I was mentioning the beginning
This was something that was came up as
A SURPRISE.
On testing the technology and maybe was not really not a lot of thinking was put into okay so after testing. What are we doing next. So this is we are right now in the period of piloting it and also via trying to identify what are the next steps.
So, and get to the government, of course, would be well selling it in terms of money but selling it as as a product that would help them be more transparent and efficient that would would of course be a great opportunity to us.
Thanks for that.
Welcome helpful.
I encourage everybody here who's on the call to think about perhaps some of the dynamics that you all are facing in your own
Projects and wonder if perhaps you guys might be able to have a bit of a conversation about either the dynamics. You guys are facing.
On your projects and maybe Mariana and Gabrielle could provide some of their own experience or ask questions about how they navigated
Some of these implementations and see if that might be similar to what you've experienced so encouraging people to chat, either through the chat box or to use the mic.
Okay, I'm going to presume that everybody's questions were answered.
And that they had sort of similar questions to Katie and John's but this has been actually a really interesting and exciting presentation.
To see how un dp is is really using blockchain and taking it to the forefront and also handling some of the risks involved of trying out new technologies, so
I suppose, unless you feel like it's already been pretty well covered how I guess as my, my final question is
How do you because you're doing two new things at once here right you're using blockchain and your reorganizing how the fleet is getting managed
And how, in terms of the partnerships between the agencies do you get them to come on board when you've got, I guess risk of two new types of things happening at the same time with the new technology and new type of program. How did you mitigate that feeling of risk.
Well, um, I think the good thing over here is that they have some agencies that are testing the technology and the system a pretty open and have a
Pretty moderate but also interested pretty moderate appetite for risk, but also they're interested in in either to find new solutions that they could potentially use in other projects with their counterparts.
Yes, in, in, in the very beginning, and I'm not against but it was like this. So, in the very beginning.
The whole process started as the joint initiative and therefore it was easier for us to have people on board.
At the piloting stage because they were also present during the, the initial, initial stages where we identify the problems we were looking into into the data and we saw that we are lacking some things that we need in terms of efficiency and transparency and non non just that, of course,
We that I think the good thing about the system is that we didn't perform any changes.
As an structure internally, because we did not put all the cars into one split physically. They are they still belong to agencies projects is just that their time is shared with
With other agencies or other projects, when it is needed, and this is a good thing because both projects matrices can recover some of the costs of they have experienced when wind the cars were one being the driver of his monthly salary.
And the in the case when say people from two different agencies discover they can share the car does it simply build to the agency whose car. It is as if only one person have used it, but you just have an efficiency in terms of gas in our time saved.
Exactly. You got it.
Very cool. Oh.
Yes, please.
Is quality he here. I have a question for Mariana
So you're really in government.
For example, the fleet fleet a request for a car need some approval, then this is the nature for the public sector. And I'm just wondering this project is
Some approval process considered or the approval process happened outside the project and if blockchain technology can accommodate this kind of requirement.
Yes. I got your question. So one thing is that for regular type of request.
We made the system as decentralized as possible. So most of the
Most of the the power goes to the to the driver. He on regular type of requests. He's the one that approves the request, not on the ones that involve costs like renting separate request those ones have an additional layer of validation, which is from the project manager.
So, in cases where I work for my lab and the car is owned by my lab, and I need the car to go to meeting. I'm the one that is meeting the request.
And the driver is accepts the request, you can see it in the system. It's transparent. It's available for everyone. So no additional validation is needed, except for the
Thing is that when the request is actually completed. I'm the one validated validating that the request was actually done
In renting type of requests.
I'm submitting a request on the request is
Gold goes to the plus level plus one and it goes to the driver. So there is another layer of validation which insurance us with the fact that
The, the, the one in charge is knows about the costs that will be shared, or the possible will be experienced by the project or by the agency when the car is rented.
So this extra layer of approval is happening outside the system or is not on the chain.
No, excuse me, I didn't hear you so
Outside what. So my question is this extra layer of approval is the system.
It's in the system. It's in the system. It's recorded on the chain. Yes.
Because the request changes its status. So it's, it's a, you cannot create a request and you can initiate the request or no. Yes, you can have an accepted request, you have
Requested progress so on so forth. So when when the request is accepted, that means that it has passed for all the layers of approval.
Okay, thank you.
But anybody else want to raise any final questions or the UN, the UN.
Yes, this is letter that that were sorry I joined the call lately, I did take quite a lot of
Of the presentation. It is fairly good at my only question is, now that you have a lot of lessons learned from such a project, whereby you first start to learn the technology. Well, I understand that.
And then work with your technology partner to implement or enable a solution on blockchain which is always new for everyone, even the technologists, who are designing the the the the the technology stack.
What would you do different the second time around, based on lessons learned.
A very good question. This is what I'm asking myself like almost every week. A lot of things that we would do different different I think
If, if I jump into answering this question, I will just it will take me more than an hour from now.
Let me promise you this. We I'm currently working on a blog which will incorporate the things that I would do differently if I will start it all over again. And I will share it with everyone in the group. If that is okay with you.
That would be a wonderful response will look forward. I'm sure those you would be to
To accept in that report and share it with all of us. Thank you so much. You did a great job. Dan, I looked at the presentation slides and the
Client experiences from the able to be ability to be able to second selected from type of the boards and it looks to perform very well. So again, thank you for sharing.
Thank you.
Yes rows here, that would be great if once that blog is up. If you could email that just to the entire email list.
If everybody here just did everybody received the agenda this week that went out to know about the call. I mean if somehow you came here. So I'm presuming perhaps you got the email but it would just be good to confirm to make sure the email is just working
Yeah, yes, obviously doing great.
Alright, or maybe. Did anybody not receive it. If you didn't receive it, please let me know.
Cool, thanks. JOHN. Okay. All right. Yeah. So Mariana if when your blog is ready, you could pass it through to me. But you could actually just send it directly to the entire group.
As everyone is briefed on it now. And that would, that would be great. And it's, it's a good reminder actually to everybody else that
If you have things to share this is everybody's email list and everybody's chat on the rocket chat so don't be shy about using those to share information or ask questions.
It definitely isn't my list. So everyone should just post whatever they want and turn it into their discussion to the extent that that's interesting to them.
All right on last opportunity to give some, you know, feedback or questions, but the spin, I think, a very exciting deployment and really appreciative Rhiannon and Gabrielle for your sharing this experience management.
Thank you, Rose and if images jump jumping. If any one of you have suggestions.
Or ideas on what we could do. Next please share them with us.
That would probably be great when you're seeing what to do next. And I wonder if because we do have people on the phone here. Maybe they'll get their thoughts together fast, but sometimes we need to think a bit or giving advice when you're saying what to do next. What you mean exactly
In terms of final because we understand scale up to the government. This is the most typical way that we can, or we can
Jump into but maybe there is something else that
We did not consider while we're developing the system and we should have more maybe just thoughts on how we can improve it.
Hi, Mariana, this is that it again. Have you upload the government or worked with any of that you might say groups within government
To understand what some of the use cases and pin points might be in terms of their interest to find solutions be at blockchain. Otherwise, so that you can gauge
What based on the skill sets and what you've learned the knowledge that you now have how you could probably assist them and provide and
Capabilities based on blockchain based on these use cases do you have any that have been already defined with government that you've probably done on your own or probably with
Government help in that way. We could have a look at them and then work collaboratively with you to provide you might say some more feedback and recommendations which you can either take a share with government with your government in Moldova.
To bring it to fruition. So that could be an approach. I'm just wondering if you do already have some use cases that you'd like to share with us. We could review and start the collaboration process this way.
Thank you. Leonard, we are working currently on on one of the use cases. Once we have it and we have to consult with the government. I will let you know. And we've been sharing them.
And that
Other no non confidential agreements aside.
Okay, you got me.
Yeah, well, if, if everything goes well, and the government is interested in what we we are
Trying to pitch. Right now I will let you know.
That's very good, very jealous of you. Thanks again.
In our, in our case, all of us government is and it's not the case of a transparent institution and
You understand that moving things around is pretty complicated. So for us it's it's quite a challenge.
Yeah so tense and we
Do understand that because since policy within government is always opaque. It's never class.
Yes, but we sometimes have to hold their hands because it's valid new technology for them. And that's always that trust.
And fear and the less factors which needs to be mitigated. So a job well done. It's to stop everything is evolving. We thank you for sharing. Yeah, let's be more collaborative and see how we can help each other. Thanks so much, very much again.
Thanks.
Great, thanks again way and and Gabrielle, would we be able to have a copy of your slide deck is that shareable, it would sit on our Wiki.
Sure, sure.
Great.
Okay.
Would you be able to send an email to the listserv.
Okay, that would be great. Thank you so much.
You're welcome about virtual Round of applause to
My lab and you and what ova for being brave. Yes. Clap Clap for really going out and testing this the management blockchain technology something
So without further ado, I suggest we move on to the next item on our agenda. But if anybody would like to recommend we change the order or add something.
On the agenda, then this would be a good time to do so
Okay. Sounds good. Alright, so number two is actually an item that's been pushed back as our discussions and presentations have all been quite engaging
But is about the hyper ledger Global Forum. So if you refer to the agenda that was sent around
Recently, this week. There are two panels happening at the Forum and it would be very good to get all of your inputs into what sorts of questions you would like to make sure get asked to the panelists, so that the thinking of this group is really reflected there at the forum so
Would it be helpful if I read or somebody read the descriptions are actually not. I can just paste it in the chat that would probably be better than you listen to me read
In a post into the chat right now the descriptions of the two panels.
But she's been hard to read in the chat. But at least it gives you a sense
They cut it off. Okay, that they didn't think it was a good idea that I post that much of the chat so so much for that idea, but
The, I guess. First one is on Hyper ledger in the global south and you can read the preamble to that and we'll try to get the rest of that text in there so you can read the entire description of that panel.
Once you've read it through.
It'd be great to just get some ideas from folks about what you'd like to see raised as issues.
Or even open discussion right now. What is this panel even about
Okay, to give a quick context on it. This panel is about global south countries around the world that are using Hyper ledger and block chain solutions to
Pioneer enterprise grade block chain solutions and government processes to promote various sorts of transparency and accountability and this panel has got a couple of different examples of ways that blockchains being deployed specifically in a global south context.
To it says solve particular urban issues of citizenship in democracy land and real estate markets infrastructure.
And public services exchange of total value financial and non financial governance and finance. So that's actually a pretty exhaustive list of basically half where we see the portion of things government does.
Be great to hear from anybody about what sorts of topics definitely should be there.
In terms of this sort of discussion.
Okay. Thanks, Tony is you're saying what seems to be missing as a global business and architecture model.
That's an interesting point, I'd love to hear more from view or from anybody else about that comment.
So what is a global business model and focuses mind here.
Global architecture model. What exactly does that mean
This is letter to, again, could I asked Tony to clarify a little for the audience because you can look at it in many different perspectives, a global model and political business governmental So Tony, can you please clarify for us to what it is.
You would like answered in your query.
For your question.
So from your comment Tony says that the groups are working independently. So you see that there. I guess when we're that comes up a lot of siloed are fragmented.
in Munich, it got it. Thank you for listening and you know your meeting that's dedication. Thanks, silent. Okay. So thinking about how could we break across silos when we're in different countries and on different topics. Is there any way to cut across this, is that right
Okay. Anybody else wanna drop a point in that would be great to put in the mix for this panel.
Well, this is, that is, again, I think do said, and it's always to it always seems to work. Divide and conquer.
If you can't eat the entire pie in one go. You can cut it to the small chunks of
It one piece at a time. It's always a huge problem as a consultant. I find that sometimes you need to be even more collaborative by
Formulation of some subgroups that can tackle different aspects and say one subgroup of silo look at industry verticals. For example, you may be doing with Dean of trade finance at the same time loans administration at the same time, mutual funds.
They are related, but they are siloed at the same time under the requirements, meaning the business requirements that each convey
And with that also is the exposure, the communication requirements. The development of trust.
Between your clients and the actual team on ground doing work or soliciting feedback and and and and documented and share and and the guilt and the green requirements. So it's about a big toss always thought of pitfalls and the valence less can challenges. So, yes.
I was
Trying so simplify the problem by Blessington to, you might say.
Relative or respective sub group for some teams to look at each, and then we can come together and get a more holistic picture of what
The, the overall set of requirements might be because there may be some overlaps. And usually there's usually overlaps and solutions and technologies at the same time. So, yes, we divide and conquer each group.
Reports back. We then at a higher level review center jobs is minimized fully understand having the client involved at all stages and then getting their feedback and input that we are on the right track. And we've understood correctly.
And try to adopt an agile process because waterfall doesn't work anymore. You can't have just one set of requirements acquired in two weeks or a month and thing, nothing is going to change and everything is down pat, and well on steroids. Never that way. So that's my initial response.
Hope that
Hope that helps.
Yes, that's a great point. Leonard and in the spirit of being agile actually looking forward to. Since we're down to our last four minutes on this meeting. So we'll probably have to
Table, the second panel, but encourage anyone to submit more ideas or questions through the chat or the email list for our next call on October 26
It is to be confirmed. But it's looking like we may have a representative from USA D participating and presenting that will be confirmed.
presuming we're going to have that call. I'm going to be on an airplane. So I will be able to serve the function of directing traffic and organizing the flow of the call. Would anybody else that day like to take that role and serve as MC of the call on the 26
Whoever it is, I'd be happy to chat in advance with you and just go through the steps. It's, it's pretty much a pretty similar flow every call so I'm sure anybody here who's been on them would recognize the drill.
Thanks.
Tony for the nice comment that I'm an excellent MC. I appreciate that and that maybe next week. Somebody else might have an opportunity to take that role for that call with anybody be interested
Okay, well, we'll keep thinking about that and I'll raise it in the email list and see if somebody who's on the broader list might want to do it for the 26
So we'll watch that conversation.
Thank you. Marcus, appreciate your comment that you would support if you were able to make it that week. So we'll bring the discussion over to the email list chat about what we want to do about the 26 in general and
See if anybody would like to coordinate that one or do on a skip it and just push along until the week after, or that sorry two weeks after that. So we'll figure it out as a group, collectively, and it will be a great choice. I'm sure that will make sense either way, but
On that note, I think we're pretty much at time
Shay, again, the presentation from Ghana and also the inputs from everybody on one of the panels, but forum will just keep going on this conversations on the email and the rocket chat threads. And if somebody would be so kind as to volunteer to put these slides up on the wiki.
As Comoros. Hi.
Bobby HI BOBBY you want to jump.
I will definitely
Volunteer to do that. I do need some direction on that. So I'll get together with you after the call, or just send you an email to just let you know what I need to get started. Sure.
That'd be great. Okay, I'm actually in the spirit of collaborative help. Does anybody here know how to post things on the wiki and be willing to tell. Bobby, how to do it.
Okay, be good, smart.
And then I'll email you my question.
Okay, or maybe that's email it to the group on the on the email chain because I think it'd be helpful for everybody to learn how to use the wiki better anyway. So that would be great. Thank you so much. Bobby for volunteering to post, especially since you're not sure how to do it yet.
Let's bring that discussion as well to the email chain and then hopefully somebody can chime in and explain it in an eloquent way.
But break. Okay. I think we've got a good agenda on that we're at time if anybody else would like to make any final comments or suggestions for what should be on the agenda for our next call which may or may not happen in two weeks, depending
Then this is the right time to do that.
Otherwise, again, a really hardy and warm thanks to our presenters and everybody who participated and looking forward to our next time soon. So thank you so much. And I guess that's good. Bye bye.
Thanks Rose, thank you everybody.
Thanks. Thanks everyone.