WEBVTT 1 00:10:17.380 --> 00:10:18.270 Char Howland: Hello! 2 00:10:18.530 --> 00:10:19.430 Hello! 3 00:10:20.740 --> 00:10:21.919 Vipin Bharathan: By, sure! 4 00:10:22.090 --> 00:10:23.800 Char Howland: Hello! How are you, too? 5 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:24.810 Bret Michael Carpenter: Good! 6 00:10:25.420 --> 00:10:26.160 Vipin Bharathan: Right. 7 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:28.029 Char Howland: I'm glad to hear it. 8 00:10:31.830 --> 00:10:39.389 Char Howland: I'm not sure we've met Brett. It's great to have you on the call. Where are you based? Rochester, Michigan. 9 00:10:39.640 --> 00:10:40.780 Char Howland: Very nice. 10 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:42.809 Bret Michael Carpenter: I'm in a smartphone. 11 00:10:43.430 --> 00:10:45.900 Char Howland: what does that mean? 12 00:10:46.830 --> 00:10:48.240 Bret Michael Carpenter: I'm being incubated. 13 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:52.449 Char Howland: I'm in a business incubator. 14 00:10:53.460 --> 00:10:54.300 Char Howland: Great 15 00:11:17.540 --> 00:11:20.529 Char Howland: can probably wait just a bit to get started. 16 00:11:22.970 --> 00:11:26.990 Bret Michael Carpenter: We heard about W. 3.org at all. 17 00:11:30.790 --> 00:11:33.399 Char Howland: I'm not sure I have. Could you say more? 18 00:11:34.020 --> 00:11:37.200 Bret Michael Carpenter: let me just put it in the chat. 19 00:11:37.910 --> 00:11:38.700 Char Howland: Thank you. 20 00:12:00.470 --> 00:12:01.749 Char Howland: Thanks for sharing that. 21 00:12:02.260 --> 00:12:03.789 Bret Michael Carpenter: Yeah, hopefully. It helps. 22 00:12:15.490 --> 00:12:17.309 Bret Michael Carpenter: I'm sure. Where are you located? 23 00:12:18.030 --> 00:12:21.340 Char Howland: I'm located in Denver, Colorado. 24 00:12:21.820 --> 00:12:24.100 Bret Michael Carpenter: I have a business partner in Wyoming. 25 00:12:24.340 --> 00:12:28.749 Char Howland: Oh, nice. Yeah. It's a beautiful part of the country. 26 00:12:29.090 --> 00:12:32.799 Bret Michael Carpenter: Yeah. that's where all the water is where he is. 27 00:12:32.910 --> 00:12:36.970 Char Howland: yeah, we don't have so much of that here in Denver. Unfortunately. 28 00:12:42.740 --> 00:12:44.889 Vipin Bharathan: Well, New York City can be beautiful. 29 00:12:46.470 --> 00:12:48.169 Char Howland: Are you right in the city with it. 30 00:12:48.380 --> 00:12:49.290 Vipin Bharathan: Yes. 31 00:12:49.650 --> 00:12:57.580 Bret Michael Carpenter: What? What part? What city are you in New York? Oh. 32 00:12:58.580 --> 00:13:05.110 Vipin Bharathan: that's a recent thing, right? 33 00:13:05.140 --> 00:13:09.060 Bret Michael Carpenter: I thought one time it was mentioned that you were up early 34 00:13:09.280 --> 00:13:13.200 Bret Michael Carpenter: on your time. You and I are. You and I are in the same time. Zone. 35 00:13:14.280 --> 00:13:15.810 Vipin Bharathan: Yeah, I'll probably 36 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:19.290 Vipin Bharathan: this means 40'clock, 60'clock. Whatever. 37 00:13:25.010 --> 00:13:28.669 Char Howland: Which borough do you live in, then? Are you on in Manhattan? 38 00:13:28.730 --> 00:13:31.929 Vipin Bharathan: Yes, I'm in Harlem, which is 39 00:13:32.580 --> 00:13:33.770 Vipin Bharathan: Upper Manhattan 40 00:13:34.420 --> 00:13:35.570 Char Howland: very nice. 41 00:13:40.820 --> 00:13:45.799 Vipin Bharathan: and behind me is a shock from Central Park, which is only about 10. 42 00:13:46.270 --> 00:13:47.950 Vipin Bharathan: My house. 43 00:13:48.510 --> 00:13:49.520 Char Howland: Oh, well. 44 00:13:53.030 --> 00:13:54.530 Char Howland: hi, John, no! Worries. 45 00:13:56.070 --> 00:13:59.139 Vipin Bharathan: 1 s I'm going to pause the recording and then get a 46 00:14:01.470 --> 00:14:02.280 Vipin Bharathan: anyway. 47 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:11.339 Char Howland: So I am having a problem second, to live stream. I'm gonna let you take it over shar, and then I will upload the video to Youtube after the meeting. 48 00:14:11.870 --> 00:14:12.900 Char Howland: There you go. 49 00:14:13.930 --> 00:14:17.180 Char Howland: Wonderful. We'll go ahead and get started then. 50 00:14:17.250 --> 00:14:31.300 Char Howland: thanks. Everyone for joining the meeting. And it looks like we are recording. Welcome to the Hyper Ledger identity Special interest group call for June 20, ninth. Thanks for joining us today. I'm 51 00:14:31.330 --> 00:14:54.769 Char Howland: Shah Holland, A, a co-chair of this group with Vipin, and Tim. We're on the call, and today on the agenda, we have our regular working group status updates, and then we'll hear a We'll hear about the world economic Forum paper titled Re. Imagining digital id from fippin. So really, looking forward to that. 52 00:14:55.040 --> 00:14:59.290 Bret Michael Carpenter: are we? Are we writing anything with that paper, Griffin? 53 00:15:02.210 --> 00:15:03.349 Vipin Bharathan: How do you mean. 54 00:15:03.590 --> 00:15:07.389 Bret Michael Carpenter: I mean, are we going to be adding content to the paper or 55 00:15:07.540 --> 00:15:11.029 Vipin Bharathan: no? It's it's it's been published June 56 00:15:11.760 --> 00:15:14.240 Vipin Bharathan: 23, is the 57 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:16.649 Bret Michael Carpenter: are we going to be writing a white paper here? 58 00:15:17.540 --> 00:15:21.789 Vipin Bharathan: Yeah, I you know we had started a white paper 59 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:23.659 Vipin Bharathan: a long time ago. 60 00:15:23.710 --> 00:15:28.650 Vipin Bharathan: The the ecosystem was still developing, and it was growing a lot. 61 00:15:28.990 --> 00:15:30.450 Vipin Bharathan: So at that time 62 00:15:30.650 --> 00:15:37.309 Vipin Bharathan: we decided to give it the pause. It was kind of spinning out of control. There was so many different 63 00:15:37.970 --> 00:15:40.200 Vipin Bharathan: ways in which we could have gone 64 00:15:40.210 --> 00:15:46.490 Vipin Bharathan: so I think we probably should refocus on that 65 00:15:46.630 --> 00:15:49.739 Vipin Bharathan: agenda item later on in the year. 66 00:15:52.330 --> 00:15:55.790 Vipin Bharathan: Yeah. Done the 67 00:15:56.030 --> 00:16:00.989 Vipin Bharathan: in the presentation that I'm giving, there will be a link to that particular paper. 68 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:10.290 Vipin Bharathan: and then I know your name is on the list of people who contributed to the paper. Dan, back on him who's just posted a chat 69 00:16:11.580 --> 00:16:12.920 Vipin Bharathan: to the paper, anyway. 70 00:16:12.940 --> 00:16:16.000 Vipin Bharathan: I don't want to hold up shar and 71 00:16:16.180 --> 00:16:17.300 Vipin Bharathan: or 72 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:22.249 Char Howland: no worries, no worries. 73 00:16:22.690 --> 00:16:24.640 Char Howland: Yeah, I I we've had a. 74 00:16:24.810 --> 00:16:42.089 Char Howland: Our groups have recently merged and transitioned to be a special interest group rather than working groups. so we're more focused on the community news and and presentation aspect of it. But we could absolutely form a task force to work on 75 00:16:42.100 --> 00:16:47.349 a white paper, and I think that would be a really useful thing to do so. but that will 76 00:16:47.500 --> 00:16:51.699 Char Howland: continue on with the introductions of the call. This is a 77 00:16:52.110 --> 00:17:03.939 Char Howland: Linux foundation call. So we have the antitrust policy written out here that we are following, and then as well, the hypothetical code of conduct which is linked here. 78 00:17:03.950 --> 00:17:14.149 Char Howland: if anybody would like to put their name on the attendees list, for on the meeting page that would be wonderful. And 79 00:17:14.210 --> 00:17:20.930 Char Howland: now it'd be a great time if anybody would like to introduce themselves and talk a little bit about 80 00:17:21.050 --> 00:17:23.890 Char Howland: I think you want to share your your interest in 81 00:17:24.040 --> 00:17:29.000 Char Howland: in the space, so feel free to grab the mic or raise your hand. 82 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:37.609 Bret Michael Carpenter: go ahead. Pet. 83 00:17:38.510 --> 00:17:41.210 Bret Michael Carpenter: so my name is brett, carpenter 84 00:17:41.510 --> 00:17:49.080 Bret Michael Carpenter: and I'm the managing partner, operator of Craigco, situated in the city of Rochester, Michigan. 85 00:17:49.110 --> 00:17:52.380 Bret Michael Carpenter: on the campuses of Oakland University. 86 00:17:53.090 --> 00:17:56.450 Bret Michael Carpenter: My focus is to 87 00:17:58.670 --> 00:18:06.670 Bret Michael Carpenter: have autonomous embedded systems. and the first low hanging through is identity. 88 00:18:07.790 --> 00:18:12.109 Bret Michael Carpenter: One of the things that our group will be focused on 89 00:18:12.260 --> 00:18:16.330 Bret Michael Carpenter: is Lidar and Geo spatial information 90 00:18:16.670 --> 00:18:22.450 Bret Michael Carpenter: and embedding our our proprietary intellectual property 91 00:18:22.540 --> 00:18:24.510 Bret Michael Carpenter: in that technology. 92 00:18:28.590 --> 00:18:31.950 Char Howland: Great. Thank you so much for joining the call. We're we're glad you're here. 93 00:18:36.140 --> 00:18:38.340 Char Howland: Where did anybody else like to introduce themselves? 94 00:18:42.130 --> 00:18:45.439 Alfonso Govela: Yes, I I'm 95 00:18:45.650 --> 00:18:57.109 Alfonso Govela: from Hyper Ledger and Latino America. regional chapter. I've been part of the Id working group for for a while, and I'm glad to be back here in this new form. 96 00:18:57.430 --> 00:18:58.160 Alfonso Govela: Thank you 97 00:18:59.140 --> 00:19:00.910 Char Howland: absolutely. Thanks for joining 98 00:19:09.800 --> 00:19:13.700 Char Howland: right. If anybody else would like to introduce themselves, feel free to jump in. 99 00:19:16.010 --> 00:19:23.429 Char Howland: We also have a a few announcements upcoming speakers on this call. our next call. 100 00:19:23.750 --> 00:19:25.399 Char Howland: I have 101 00:19:25.600 --> 00:19:32.579 Char Howland: Stefan moy talking about Eid 2.0 and the European wallet initiative. 102 00:19:32.670 --> 00:19:35.870 Char Howland: Next to after that we'll be on 103 00:19:36.020 --> 00:19:48.800 Char Howland: AI and SSI, and the call after that will be on credential migration, and for wallet, wallets and credential providers. So lots of lots of interesting topics ahead. 104 00:19:48.870 --> 00:20:02.690 Char Howland: the then, I I know you sent this link call for papers out in our our email thread. Did you wanna give a a brief verbal announcement about that as well? 105 00:20:06.910 --> 00:20:10.370 Vipin Bharathan: Not really. It's everything. Is there. 106 00:20:10.580 --> 00:20:11.390 So 107 00:20:11.850 --> 00:20:16.489 Char Howland: great yeah. Link? Link is there. We also have 108 00:20:16.800 --> 00:20:21.610 Char Howland: note about the hyper ledger areas, framework Javascript. 109 00:20:21.940 --> 00:20:29.519 Char Howland: workshop that's happening on July eleventh. And here's links to more details and registering another hyper ledger workshop 110 00:20:29.600 --> 00:20:34.470 on running areas in the browser with hyper ledger noncreds on July eighteenth. 111 00:20:34.660 --> 00:20:37.440 Char Howland: there's the link as well to 112 00:20:37.700 --> 00:20:39.050 Char Howland: to join that. 113 00:20:39.330 --> 00:20:45.379 Char Howland: So are there any other announcements, introductions, or anything anybody would like to say before we 114 00:20:45.390 --> 00:20:49.470 Char Howland: head into the working group updates? 115 00:20:55.110 --> 00:20:56.210 Char Howland: All right. 116 00:20:56.650 --> 00:21:05.200 Char Howland: So we'll start with for the pipe led your indie contributors working group We met last week. Our our last call was spend 117 00:21:05.290 --> 00:21:10.130 Char Howland: discussing the indie summit which we just wrapped up 118 00:21:10.750 --> 00:21:33.540 Char Howland: 11 min ago that this was a a 3 h event. to get everyone involved in indie together to talk about how they're using indie? What is the future of Indie? What do we want to add to it and improve about it? How can we increase those development contributions so full of very, very interesting discussions and important information exchange. 119 00:21:35.320 --> 00:21:38.739 Bret Michael Carpenter: So I have a excuse me, I have a question about that. 120 00:21:38.900 --> 00:21:43.229 Bret Michael Carpenter: So in in a technical 121 00:21:43.630 --> 00:21:44.780 Bret Michael Carpenter: overview. 122 00:21:45.080 --> 00:21:49.719 Bret Michael Carpenter: Are we talking about hyper ledger fabric integrating with Indie 123 00:21:50.850 --> 00:21:58.890 Char Howland: that came up briefly on on the call today? I think the context in which it was talked about is that 124 00:21:59.070 --> 00:22:03.370 Char Howland: Indie, compared with with hyper ledger fabric is is very 125 00:22:03.430 --> 00:22:16.020 Char Howland: much purpose built for identity. And so with the way that the among among the people on on the call today. I think that that is the focus. So 126 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:19.510 Char Howland: but what about? 127 00:22:20.600 --> 00:22:25.969 Bret Michael Carpenter: We would be interested in integrating basin with hyper, ledger fabric 128 00:22:27.320 --> 00:22:30.859 Bret Michael Carpenter: and ethereum. Any any of those ideas? 129 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:45.309 Char Howland: I I so I guess the the call mainly focused on Indie as as the the center piece. so all yeah, I it. It's it's a good question, though. If if anybody else on the call knows 130 00:22:45.790 --> 00:22:50.170 Char Howland: knows anything about that, feel free to jump in. But 131 00:22:50.600 --> 00:22:53.309 Char Howland: yeah, not to share on that right at the moment. 132 00:22:54.850 --> 00:23:00.079 Sean Bohan: Yeah, I mean, this is Shawn from Hyper ledic bases in a theorem client. 133 00:23:00.990 --> 00:23:27.350 Sean Bohan: and in regards to base you interacting with fabric. I know there are some folks working on that. You probably the best place to go would be the hyper ledger discord. But, as Shar just said, the the conversation this morning was specific to indie and what are the other options. What does that ecosystem look like? Since it's a really great chat, it was recorded. And I believe they're gonna post it at some point. after the recording encodes. Very good. 134 00:23:27.930 --> 00:23:34.169 Daniel Bachenheimer: and the only other thing that I could add is, you know, when Indie was developed. 135 00:23:34.610 --> 00:23:55.389 Daniel Bachenheimer: it was. It was all, basically all in one. And then they spun off of the wallet and agent components into Aries and the the crypto components were spun off separately. And, as was said, the it, it was purpose built for identity. Indie was. And then 136 00:23:55.390 --> 00:24:09.979 Daniel Bachenheimer: again Aries was derived to to better support identity functions. Now, folks have built identity systems that use fabric. but yeah, you kind of have to. 137 00:24:10.010 --> 00:24:15.930 Daniel Bachenheimer: you know, twist and turn to to make it work. anyhow, that's that's the only thing I wanted to add. 138 00:24:15.950 --> 00:24:18.890 Bret Michael Carpenter: right? It was technical, right? 139 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:29.979 Bret Michael Carpenter: What? What were you saying? Sorry, sorry, Brett. Think about 140 00:24:30.360 --> 00:24:31.370 Bret Michael Carpenter: high level. 141 00:24:32.520 --> 00:24:40.070 Sean Bohan: but also the interoperability standpoint. We, you know, the initial vision, and it's still is the decentralized identifiers. 142 00:24:40.100 --> 00:24:55.709 Sean Bohan: If you, if you decentralize the identifier should work for the user. Whether I get a did from an Etherium network or from a fabric network, or from an indie network, or from checked, or somewhere else. Those are my Ds living in my wallet. I should be able to use them as I see fit. 143 00:24:55.800 --> 00:25:02.170 Sean Bohan: there! There are some things like there's some competitors to indie that don't 144 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:23.250 Sean Bohan: work with like Didcom. And there's some competitors in that don't do certain things. But but overall, the community is working on being as standards compliant as possible, so that so that whatever flavor you choose to build on, you are not locking that user out of an experience, or or or you know those verifiable credentials, or that did come home. 145 00:25:25.070 --> 00:25:34.689 Bret Michael Carpenter: And just as just as a point of reference, my, my focus is contracting with the military. So that would have you know, many different regions. 146 00:25:34.910 --> 00:25:43.889 Bret Michael Carpenter: And so that complexity is something that I'm focused on. 147 00:25:44.070 --> 00:25:49.219 Sean Bohan: Years ago, 2,015 or 2,016 148 00:25:49.350 --> 00:26:05.029 Sean Bohan: and also from a.gov perspective. If you want to look at what's what the BC. Gov team has been doing with not just PC, but the pan-canadian trust framework folks have been doing it. It's it's it's pretty impressive, self sovereign identity. Into that Gov context 149 00:26:05.120 --> 00:26:06.130 Bret Michael Carpenter: definitely. 150 00:26:09.420 --> 00:26:13.659 Bret Michael Carpenter: the Central Bank of Canada is pretty impressive with all of that initiative. 151 00:26:19.850 --> 00:26:23.249 Char Howland: Yeah, thanks for thanks for your question on that, Brett. 152 00:26:23.560 --> 00:26:34.660 Char Howland: let's see. So in the areas working group they've been meeting every week. Has anybody been able to to attend any of those recent meetings who would like to give a quick report. 153 00:26:40.180 --> 00:26:46.499 Char Howland: It looks like they've been merging in our Cprs as well talking about 154 00:26:46.630 --> 00:26:56.039 Char Howland: marketing mediators, and did peer so. What's going on there. How about as by fold? Anybody in this group attend that one? 155 00:27:03.690 --> 00:27:14.680 Char Howland: See? The notes didn't get into too many specifics. But I think there talking about issues, pr. general updates and and future planning 156 00:27:14.990 --> 00:27:20.330 Char Howland: for the area Scottish and Python user group meeting. 157 00:27:20.780 --> 00:27:31.450 Char Howland: met this week. so so talking about the Re release candidates. the next release candidate for occupy release. 0 8 2 158 00:27:31.470 --> 00:27:35.250 Char Howland: as well embedding an oncuts rust into acupy. 159 00:27:35.300 --> 00:27:47.749 Char Howland: talking about the the Aries Mediator Service. in DC, or just open source. socket, doc, which is a really important piece of that. So that's exciting. 160 00:27:47.900 --> 00:27:54.749 Char Howland: did pier 2 and 3 as well. talking about what it. One of the 161 00:27:54.910 --> 00:28:08.389 Char Howland: one of the most complicated parts of using acupy is the startup parameters, or that that can be a a barrier to entry. And so an idea about a goody startup parameters, editor. 162 00:28:09.070 --> 00:28:12.500 Char Howland: and then as well emerging, and pr 163 00:28:15.390 --> 00:28:19.879 Char Howland: for Javascript. Anybody attend that meeting? 164 00:28:25.580 --> 00:28:37.929 Char Howland: So they've been having a lot of discussions about relationship to the open wallet foundation. did come v. 2, while an Api as well. Revocation documentation. 165 00:28:38.490 --> 00:28:44.570 Char Howland: So that's going on there. Hyper, ledger Orsa don't expect there to be 166 00:28:44.770 --> 00:28:51.509 Char Howland: meetings there any more with the the end of life status 167 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:59.899 Char Howland: And then in the non-creds hyper ledge and on coulds working group meeting anybody attend that one. 168 00:29:05.070 --> 00:29:09.600 Char Howland: So they finalize the release for a non-credit 0 1 0 169 00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:15.980 Char Howland: had a report from the Oncuts workshop mentorship updates 170 00:29:16.120 --> 00:29:28.050 Char Howland: and then as well, talking about the and on credit specification and new revocation purchase. So what's going on in those working groups? Anything else? Hyper Ledger related anybody to 171 00:29:28.380 --> 00:29:29.300 Char Howland: bring up 172 00:29:35.180 --> 00:29:38.579 Char Howland: So, moving on to the trust over IP Foundation. 173 00:29:38.800 --> 00:29:52.150 Char Howland: Don't believe There's been an all Members meeting more recently than than our last meeting. same with the Communications Committee, but feel free to jump in. If if I'm wrong about that 174 00:29:53.330 --> 00:29:56.290 Char Howland: in the governance stack 175 00:29:56.390 --> 00:30:09.670 Char Howland: working group. they've been talking about the tip. Glossary Workspace sounds like this is a document primarily aimed at helping trust registry and trust spanning protocol specs. within the technology stack working group. 176 00:30:09.950 --> 00:30:16.410 Char Howland: and then as well, the governance framework demand curves. So talking about 177 00:30:16.630 --> 00:30:22.010 Char Howland: adoption increasing and and seeing that digital wallets and verify the credentials are starting to 178 00:30:22.130 --> 00:30:25.820 Char Howland: make some serious progress in the markets. 179 00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:33.610 Char Howland: Let's see. in the technology stack working group. 180 00:30:33.770 --> 00:30:42.619 Char Howland: they've got a bunch of task forces here. The technology Architecture Trust Registry trust branding protocol. 181 00:30:42.750 --> 00:30:51.150 Char Howland: A/C DC, AI and metaphor. and then a new one. Credential exchange protocol task force. So 182 00:30:51.260 --> 00:30:55.400 Char Howland: lots going on in in each of those. Does anybody 183 00:30:55.590 --> 00:31:00.289 Char Howland: have any updates on on the working group or any of those specific task forces? 184 00:31:01.860 --> 00:31:03.339 Bret Michael Carpenter: I have a statement. 185 00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:08.849 Bret Michael Carpenter: I think I I think in regards to Metaverse. 186 00:31:09.050 --> 00:31:14.859 Bret Michael Carpenter: I think that the model of lidar and geospatial engineering 187 00:31:14.910 --> 00:31:17.120 Bret Michael Carpenter: and electromagnetic computation 188 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:20.860 Bret Michael Carpenter: is something that should 189 00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:24.119 Bret Michael Carpenter: you know, be more of a paramount 190 00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:26.740 Bret Michael Carpenter: then just having. 191 00:31:27.490 --> 00:31:32.809 Bret Michael Carpenter: and I'm not trying to speak disparagingly against medical, but more like a cartoon. 192 00:31:33.550 --> 00:31:38.110 Bret Michael Carpenter: So that's my that's my my contribution of thought 193 00:31:39.040 --> 00:31:45.359 Bret Michael Carpenter: is that you know, instead of having a metaverse, that, having lidar and geospatial 194 00:31:46.320 --> 00:31:49.269 Bret Michael Carpenter: and artificial intelligence would 195 00:31:49.510 --> 00:31:54.310 Bret Michael Carpenter: probably be more advantageous to corporations 196 00:31:54.570 --> 00:31:56.040 Char Howland: in the corporate world. 197 00:31:59.590 --> 00:32:01.209 Char Howland: Yeah, thank you for 198 00:32:01.530 --> 00:32:10.000 Char Howland: for that point. there's link here to their their meeting page and 199 00:32:10.060 --> 00:32:25.950 Daniel Bachenheimer: I can add a couple of bits there. So in the last aon meteor. We had a a guest from a research at at Berkeley. And he he was speaking to 200 00:32:26.280 --> 00:32:29.079 Daniel Bachenheimer: the the ability to derive. 201 00:32:29.190 --> 00:32:40.710 Daniel Bachenheimer: The primary is in the most accurate derivation from hand and head movements that are broadcast is 202 00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:56.680 Daniel Bachenheimer: is like the unique identity. So his his research, so that he could with a high degree of accuracy, uniquely identify the the, the person based on hand and head movements, 203 00:32:56.720 --> 00:33:05.489 Daniel Bachenheimer: you know, in a gallery of 50,000 which is kind of scary, because, as I learned from the call 204 00:33:05.570 --> 00:33:12.860 Daniel Bachenheimer: you, the avatars are rendered on the receiving end, not on 205 00:33:13.080 --> 00:33:26.959 Daniel Bachenheimer: not on. You know the the user. And you know. So if I'm interacting with 6 entities on the metaverse. They're getting my basically my raw biometric information. 206 00:33:27.250 --> 00:33:37.120 Bret Michael Carpenter: And and and and just as of just as a blurt, I'm an Ibm partner, and we have really strict policy against spatial recognition. 207 00:33:37.690 --> 00:33:39.170 Daniel Bachenheimer: Yeah, yeah. 208 00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:42.320 Daniel Bachenheimer: Yeah. Well, you said spatial, not facial. Right? 209 00:33:43.460 --> 00:33:45.920 Bret Michael Carpenter: I no facial. 210 00:33:45.990 --> 00:33:58.399 Daniel Bachenheimer: Okay, yes, there's no facial recognition involved. It's prohibited in Ibm, yeah, yeah, no, I I I get that. I remember that. the this is 211 00:33:58.410 --> 00:34:09.490 Daniel Bachenheimer: behavioral by me. So Iso defines by metrics is the automated recognition of individuals using 212 00:34:09.902 --> 00:34:28.899 Bret Michael Carpenter: biological or behavioral characteristics. So these are behavioral characteristics. The way I move. the you know gate recognition is a behavioral. Your key stroke dynamics is a babe. I just I just. I'm thinking that I might get in trouble with Ibm so 213 00:34:28.989 --> 00:34:32.409 Bret Michael Carpenter: with. With that I'll I'll reach out to them and see what they say. 214 00:34:32.710 --> 00:34:49.069 Daniel Bachenheimer: Yeah, can you provide that link to me? Because I don't think I can get it from where I'm standing. Yeah, well, I I can. I'll look for it. But, as Char said, the the meeting minutes are are in the link, and within the meeting minutes is the the link to 215 00:34:49.330 --> 00:34:52.110 Daniel Bachenheimer: the 216 00:34:52.170 --> 00:34:58.139 Daniel Bachenheimer: the the research is a research document. So thank you for that. 217 00:34:59.390 --> 00:35:20.279 Daniel Bachenheimer: So? So that's what was interesting. The then, from that same document, with less precision, he was demonstrating that again, just through hand gestures and head movements that were broadcasting all over the freaking place. in the Meta verse. I call it the Mega curse. I'm I'm not an adopter. 218 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:41.840 Daniel Bachenheimer: Also can can glean about 2 dozen other factors like your age, your sex? you know, your ethnicity, you know. Now it's less accurate than your identity. you uniqueness. But he was able to derive 219 00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:44.050 Daniel Bachenheimer: those factors. 220 00:35:44.170 --> 00:35:56.099 Daniel Bachenheimer: we like with 60 or so percent. Actually, according to this study. So I thought that was pretty interesting. Yeah, that is interesting. My my treatment is that this is applicable 221 00:35:56.110 --> 00:36:02.569 Bret Michael Carpenter: to you know, to the corporate world and dealing with asset management. 222 00:36:02.910 --> 00:36:04.809 Bret Michael Carpenter: And so 223 00:36:05.620 --> 00:36:10.470 Bret Michael Carpenter: that that's my focus with with this meeting is to 224 00:36:10.670 --> 00:36:14.150 Bret Michael Carpenter: have more of an you know an id. 225 00:36:14.300 --> 00:36:19.079 Bret Michael Carpenter: for let's say I be a maximo to be able to integrate that into 226 00:36:19.270 --> 00:36:21.730 Bret Michael Carpenter: asset management. 227 00:36:22.830 --> 00:36:36.039 Bret Michael Carpenter: And I just and I just think that when you have, let's say a lidar or a geospatial. You have something concrete. You know that that building is there because of the satellite telemetry. 228 00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:45.459 Bret Michael Carpenter: you know. So it's not something that you could in a court of law essentially dispute. If if you're having 229 00:36:45.510 --> 00:36:50.650 Bret Michael Carpenter: problems, you know, with asset, exchange or transaction. 230 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:54.990 Bret Michael Carpenter: So that's my treatment. 231 00:36:58.780 --> 00:36:59.870 Daniel Bachenheimer: Very good. 232 00:37:00.020 --> 00:37:16.999 Daniel Bachenheimer: yeah. The met you just we just had the sorry. Just going up the the Where is the credential exchange? task force? so we're trying to define the different 233 00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:30.130 Daniel Bachenheimer: it it it it the most use, the most popular exchanges. what they are, what their pros are cons or things like that. So that was in the 234 00:37:30.270 --> 00:37:31.370 Daniel Bachenheimer: the 235 00:37:31.420 --> 00:37:35.620 Daniel Bachenheimer: in the 236 00:37:35.750 --> 00:38:02.790 Daniel Bachenheimer: yeah, okay, there it is. that that task force. So that yeah, that kicked off today. Matthew does a great job. he's got some great slides in there. with with links. And you know one of the drivers was, you know the the the various open id for verifiable credential issuance. Verifiable presentation. But 237 00:38:02.940 --> 00:38:12.669 Daniel Bachenheimer: yeah, would. but all the you know, the other ones that are kind of in play again. Where where could they? Should they be you so that it's 238 00:38:12.680 --> 00:38:21.090 Bret Michael Carpenter: So decision makers could decide what's best for I mean, I really think that credentialing is that is a the new space economy. 239 00:38:21.600 --> 00:38:22.880 Bret Michael Carpenter: But you know. 240 00:38:23.260 --> 00:38:25.170 Bret Michael Carpenter: that's that's my 241 00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:29.250 Daniel Bachenheimer: yeah. My perception. 242 00:38:30.090 --> 00:38:34.639 Bret Michael Carpenter: Yeah, probably. Why, we're we're all here. yeah. 243 00:38:35.970 --> 00:38:40.869 Bret Michael Carpenter: So what are we doing as far as our architecture? Are we? 244 00:38:40.990 --> 00:38:45.609 Bret Michael Carpenter: we focused on telecommunications, or we're just focused on 245 00:38:45.890 --> 00:38:50.140 Bret Michael Carpenter: you know, Indie. And and the program. 246 00:38:50.630 --> 00:38:52.460 Bret Michael Carpenter: the the various hyper ledger. 247 00:38:54.630 --> 00:39:14.019 Daniel Bachenheimer: well, so, well, so yeah. So we're chari is God necessarily is trust over IP. So now trust over. IP's mission is It coincides with some of the hyper ledger 248 00:39:14.020 --> 00:39:30.810 Daniel Bachenheimer: projects there. But T over IP is is really identity focused. And you know. And it's it's charter is basically saying, look, when the Internet was established, There was no it it it had 249 00:39:30.810 --> 00:39:47.810 Daniel Bachenheimer: point to point, you know. I want to need to get from A to B and and the networking that's involved to do that is covered, but not the trust. We don't know, you know, at the other end, so trust over IP is the main mission is, well, how do we get trust 250 00:39:47.810 --> 00:39:51.370 Daniel Bachenheimer: into that IP stack 251 00:39:51.580 --> 00:40:10.200 Daniel Bachenheimer: And so, yeah, you could go to. Yeah, if you haven't trust over IP org and the the we do have an architecture framework. I won't dwell on it here, but basically it divides it up into 2 halves for layers. There's, you know the technology stack. And you. That's why it says 252 00:40:10.200 --> 00:40:30.919 Daniel Bachenheimer: at the top of the screen here, technology stack working group, where there's technology on one side, governance or human on the other side. So in order for all this shit to work right, we need. Well, that's the whole thing. I I think that's part of the space economy. I mean, that is the new wild frontier. 253 00:40:30.940 --> 00:40:37.489 Bret Michael Carpenter: I mean. Attorneys are like they, I mean, they they just set up. I I I'm having riders block. 254 00:40:37.610 --> 00:40:39.930 Bret Michael Carpenter: But they just set up an oversight committee. 255 00:40:41.050 --> 00:40:44.619 Bret Michael Carpenter: But yeah. that's the arena. I think that we're in. 256 00:40:44.790 --> 00:40:52.680 Sean Bohan: Yeah. And if you get the overall decentralized identity space hyper ledger host code projects like indie Aries and on credits 257 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:56.350 Sean Bohan: just over IP is focused on governance and policy. 258 00:40:56.460 --> 00:41:23.940 Sean Bohan: you've got diff decentralized identity foundation, which is really focused on implementation. And there's a little bit of I I believe they're doing some standards work as well. I think we've got a couple of more updates to come. And then you've got places like the W Threec where standards around decentralized identifiers and verifiable credentials are coming out of. Yeah, I put the W. The the purpose of this Sig is to be pan identity. It's not just hyper ledger projects. We want to talk about everything that's going on in the ecosystem 259 00:41:23.940 --> 00:41:42.250 Sean Bohan: and shore, and Tim and and Phippen are doing a great job of programming. Bring folks from the outside. Folks who are doing things with with hyper ledger technologies, but to to share. So we can cross-pollinate these ideas and and and push the the ecosystem forward. Yeah, thank you for defining that for me, doors. 260 00:41:43.680 --> 00:41:48.379 Char Howland: Absolutely. Thanks for this updates and and discussion on that. 261 00:41:50.650 --> 00:42:00.089 Char Howland: All right, the utility found. Recoup. it's on. hey? This working with the Governance architecture task force. Still, I believe. 262 00:42:00.560 --> 00:42:07.160 Char Howland: the ecosystem foundry group. Anybody attend that one at their meeting last week? 263 00:42:11.650 --> 00:42:20.390 Char Howland: It's like they've been talking about the digital trust survey, digital ecosystem components and learning pathways. Ap cyber presentation. 264 00:42:21.820 --> 00:42:27.499 Char Howland: How about the concepts and terminology working group? Anybody attend that one. 265 00:42:32.500 --> 00:42:34.010 Char Howland: So it looks like they're 266 00:42:34.110 --> 00:42:42.499 Char Howland: still working on the terminology engine v. 2. Viewing at the new T. No party driven actor model. 267 00:42:42.530 --> 00:42:47.480 Char Howland: So any other T. IP announcements or progress updates. 268 00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:54.560 Char Howland: All right. Moving on to the 269 00:42:54.570 --> 00:43:14.050 Char Howland: the diff. The decentralized Identity foundation did come working groups since they meet on the first Monday of every month. We've reported on their recent meetings sounded as well that their next meeting will not be on July third, the first Monday of July, but rather the second Monday of July. 270 00:43:14.420 --> 00:43:25.000 Char Howland: the if did come users group It looks like in their most recent meeting. They talked about 271 00:43:25.140 --> 00:43:30.530 Char Howland: demos and protocols socket, doc as well, which is 272 00:43:30.550 --> 00:43:37.039 Char Howland: like I mentioned earlier, a a web socket relay service that these are recently open source. 273 00:43:37.090 --> 00:43:40.540 Char Howland: and then as well to come marketing. 274 00:43:43.340 --> 00:43:48.739 Char Howland: Did anybody attend the the Diff Interoperability group or the IoT Special interest group? 275 00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:57.370 Char Howland: Looks like they both had recent 276 00:43:58.240 --> 00:44:09.850 Char Howland: meetings. There was a presentation interoperability group on user adoption and interoperability which looks interesting. 277 00:44:11.570 --> 00:44:13.640 Char Howland: any other diff updates. 278 00:44:19.060 --> 00:44:23.569 Char Howland: And for the W Threec. Standard. 279 00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:43.410 Char Howland: I. As far as I can tell, I I couldn't find more recent meeting notes from the did working group in the Community Credentials group. They've had recent traceability call and verifiable credentials for education task force. does anybody have other updates 280 00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:48.010 Char Howland: for the W. 3 C. Standard working groups or 281 00:44:48.200 --> 00:44:51.620 Char Howland: general working group updates or announcements. 282 00:45:00.030 --> 00:45:02.410 Char Howland: All right. With that I think we can 283 00:45:02.570 --> 00:45:13.139 Char Howland: conclude the working group status updates portion of the call, and I can go ahead and turn it over to vip in for for 284 00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:19.650 Char Howland: exploration and discussion of the W. Ef. Paper. But what would you like to screen share? 285 00:45:20.620 --> 00:45:21.580 Vipin Bharathan: Yes. 286 00:45:22.540 --> 00:45:23.450 Char Howland: great. 287 00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:51.719 Vipin Bharathan: You can see my screen, I hope. 288 00:45:52.530 --> 00:45:53.730 Char Howland: Okay. 289 00:45:54.500 --> 00:45:59.519 Vipin Bharathan: I'm going to go into slides remote. So I'm since I'm working on a 290 00:46:01.380 --> 00:46:05.210 Vipin Bharathan: laptop, I won't be able to see anybody else's comments or anything. 291 00:46:06.160 --> 00:46:11.059 Vipin Bharathan: so if anybody wants to bring it to my attention, please 292 00:46:12.150 --> 00:46:16.320 Vipin Bharathan: show up on audio, and either question me or tell me some 293 00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:18.820 Vipin Bharathan: stuff about what's happening 294 00:46:19.390 --> 00:46:22.640 Vipin Bharathan: So this is well based on I 295 00:46:22.910 --> 00:46:26.840 Vipin Bharathan: well, let's say a rather shallow reading of this 296 00:46:27.070 --> 00:46:28.330 Vipin Bharathan: paper. 297 00:46:28.390 --> 00:46:29.950 Vipin Bharathan: because 298 00:46:30.220 --> 00:46:34.029 Vipin Bharathan: we had to scramble to put together this presentation. 299 00:46:34.040 --> 00:46:40.099 Vipin Bharathan: since the person was supposed to do this today is postponed. 300 00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:41.460 Vipin Bharathan: The later 301 00:46:41.690 --> 00:46:46.689 Vipin Bharathan: and I had also contacted the Aidan slayman who was the 302 00:46:47.080 --> 00:46:48.480 Vipin Bharathan: a lead author. 303 00:46:48.490 --> 00:46:54.940 Vipin Bharathan: and I know Eden for a while, because I was involved in the it. 2,020 discussions. 304 00:46:55.050 --> 00:46:59.839 Vipin Bharathan: And I also saw in the paper that a lot of input was 305 00:46:59.950 --> 00:47:02.110 Vipin Bharathan: from the it 306 00:47:02.460 --> 00:47:07.599 Vipin Bharathan: So I'm familiar with enough of the concept to be dangerous. 307 00:47:08.870 --> 00:47:19.210 Vipin Bharathan: so basically, it's a, it's a swift pass through this background and summary. And for the first time. 308 00:47:19.290 --> 00:47:28.940 Vipin Bharathan: a world organization, maybe not for the first time, but still it's quite interesting that they are advocating for decentralized Id. 309 00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:30.380 Vipin Bharathan: Finally. 310 00:47:30.730 --> 00:47:37.099 Vipin Bharathan: then, of course, they go into the challenges and the various to adoption of that decentralized Id. 311 00:47:37.620 --> 00:47:40.280 Vipin Bharathan: and they come up with some recommendations. 312 00:47:40.910 --> 00:47:46.300 Vipin Bharathan: and number 6. The remarks on the next, on next steps is my 313 00:47:46.950 --> 00:47:49.659 Vipin Bharathan: sort of contribution to this 314 00:47:50.620 --> 00:47:51.820 to this 315 00:47:52.450 --> 00:47:54.429 Vipin Bharathan: debate or this 316 00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:59.240 Vipin Bharathan: plus in getting the 317 00:47:59.570 --> 00:48:05.639 Vipin Bharathan: getting this decentralized id into a global arena. 318 00:48:07.460 --> 00:48:13.770 Vipin Bharathan: so the first thing, of course, is the Id overview what is decentralized id 319 00:48:13.790 --> 00:48:16.550 Vipin Bharathan: various implementation recommendations. 320 00:48:17.140 --> 00:48:22.240 Vipin Bharathan: I don't want to. dwell on this. 321 00:48:23.310 --> 00:48:35.100 Vipin Bharathan: you know this. This is the summary from which I've taken from the paper itself. but the identity overview is very important, I believe, because here we are focused 322 00:48:35.130 --> 00:48:51.170 Vipin Bharathan: very focused on the identity technology. And I think some of the questions that Brett asked. For example, what is the integration between Aries or indie and fabric is relevant. Because 323 00:48:51.250 --> 00:48:54.459 Vipin Bharathan: if you are going to put a 324 00:48:55.630 --> 00:49:00.309 Vipin Bharathan: put something out in production in the real world 325 00:49:00.660 --> 00:49:02.110 Vipin Bharathan: for any purpose. 326 00:49:02.300 --> 00:49:04.980 Vipin Bharathan: it has to have an identity component. 327 00:49:05.180 --> 00:49:10.909 Vipin Bharathan: And it's important that identity component is well integrated with, 328 00:49:11.750 --> 00:49:12.450 Vipin Bharathan: you know. 329 00:49:13.550 --> 00:49:17.229 Vipin Bharathan: mostly through standards, interoperability and other 330 00:49:17.370 --> 00:49:38.249 Vipin Bharathan: methods with the component itself, and I believe we don't spend enough time on this topic. And that was the focus of the old identity working group. But I am going to bring, you know. Bring that perspective in here, not just the the raw updates of 331 00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:41.250 Vipin Bharathan: different identity 332 00:49:41.300 --> 00:49:44.159 Vipin Bharathan: components and efforts, but having a 333 00:49:45.080 --> 00:49:56.509 Vipin Bharathan: a much more systemic view of the whole thing. That means, how does that entity in this ecosystem? Why is that entity, an important foundational 334 00:49:56.680 --> 00:49:58.850 Vipin Bharathan: concept. 335 00:49:59.300 --> 00:50:03.329 Vipin Bharathan: and something to solve in a foundational way. 336 00:50:04.640 --> 00:50:12.299 Vipin Bharathan: so that's you know, even, they say, but one of the UN some sustainable development goals 337 00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:17.980 Vipin Bharathan: but unfortunately, it is a development goal 16.9, 338 00:50:18.190 --> 00:50:20.000 Vipin Bharathan: which means it's the ninth 339 00:50:20.120 --> 00:50:29.270 Vipin Bharathan: sub paragraph with the sixteenth goal when there are 17 goals. But the first goal is, for example. 340 00:50:29.560 --> 00:50:30.610 Vipin Bharathan: abolish. 341 00:50:31.090 --> 00:50:36.259 Vipin Bharathan: I mean, there is a timeline to it, too, which is basically that it's 342 00:50:36.300 --> 00:50:42.810 Vipin Bharathan: 2,020 not a first goal is abolish poverty, for example, for 343 00:50:42.980 --> 00:50:51.499 Vipin Bharathan: at least reduce poverty by 50%, and poverty is defined as making less than a dollar 25 a day. 344 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:56.469 Vipin Bharathan: which you know. may sound shocking to some of us, but 345 00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:04.610 Vipin Bharathan: doll of 25 goes a long way in certain places, but still, you know, you can go to bed. Hungary. 346 00:51:04.670 --> 00:51:06.800 Vipin Bharathan: You may not have a place to sleep. 347 00:51:06.890 --> 00:51:08.260 Vipin Bharathan: and so on, and so forth. 348 00:51:08.950 --> 00:51:20.459 Vipin Bharathan: But we have shown through the example of India, for example, that you know, although implemented recently, it was started 349 00:51:20.980 --> 00:51:28.470 Vipin Bharathan: more than 15 years ago of the on our 350 00:51:29.050 --> 00:51:33.729 Vipin Bharathan: id, even though you know there are lots of things to 351 00:51:34.390 --> 00:51:36.470 Vipin Bharathan: criticize has 352 00:51:37.530 --> 00:51:42.140 Vipin Bharathan: resulted in major transformation 353 00:51:42.690 --> 00:51:44.780 Vipin Bharathan: of even the first 354 00:51:45.340 --> 00:51:49.920 Vipin Bharathan: Sdg, which is reduce poverty by 355 00:51:50.900 --> 00:51:57.440 Vipin Bharathan: making sure that benefits flow directly to the recipients without the middle men siphoning off stuff 356 00:51:57.910 --> 00:52:01.319 Vipin Bharathan: which is a, you know, a feature 357 00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:05.809 Vipin Bharathan: off the distribution 358 00:52:07.140 --> 00:52:09.039 Vipin Bharathan: in the developing world. 359 00:52:10.970 --> 00:52:20.610 Vipin Bharathan: then it says, 850 million worldwide have no identity. And there's an identity life cycle registration issue and use and management 360 00:52:20.970 --> 00:52:28.889 Vipin Bharathan: registration differentiates between 2 separate types of identity. One is a 361 00:52:30.540 --> 00:52:37.520 Vipin Bharathan: genesis identity or a very vital identity, which is a government identity. First 362 00:52:37.780 --> 00:52:38.990 Vipin Bharathan: and foremost 363 00:52:39.130 --> 00:52:41.479 Vipin Bharathan: is a birth certificate. So 364 00:52:41.910 --> 00:52:46.410 Vipin Bharathan: of some sort an acknowledgment that you were born. 365 00:52:46.990 --> 00:52:50.619 Vipin Bharathan: You are alive, and you are a citizen of 366 00:52:50.630 --> 00:52:51.950 Vipin Bharathan: on 3 x 367 00:52:52.570 --> 00:53:00.799 Vipin Bharathan: 850 million people have no identity, which basically means they don't even have a birth certificate, I believe. 368 00:53:01.120 --> 00:53:04.800 Vipin Bharathan: you know that they can access and control. 369 00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:07.489 Vipin Bharathan: So the 370 00:53:07.520 --> 00:53:12.110 Vipin Bharathan: the paper goes into details of the registration issuance use and management 371 00:53:12.490 --> 00:53:21.310 Vipin Bharathan: mostly focused on methods and other ideas that we are familiar with 372 00:53:21.490 --> 00:53:25.180 Vipin Bharathan: in the developing world. But maybe not. 373 00:53:25.730 --> 00:53:34.419 Vipin Bharathan: very widely. you know, if it's 850 million worldwide have no identity and 1.5 to 2 374 00:53:34.780 --> 00:53:36.330 Vipin Bharathan: 1 billion people 375 00:53:36.720 --> 00:53:41.109 Vipin Bharathan: are starving below 1.2 5 376 00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:43.809 Vipin Bharathan: dollars per day. 377 00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:53.250 Vipin Bharathan: Then we can talk all we want around here. But and even in support, you know. Sort of 378 00:53:53.820 --> 00:53:54.880 Vipin Bharathan: a 379 00:53:55.440 --> 00:54:01.140 Vipin Bharathan: it was to a child for the rich people gathering in doubles. But 380 00:54:01.340 --> 00:54:02.380 Vipin Bharathan: it is 381 00:54:02.560 --> 00:54:04.550 Vipin Bharathan: a very influential 382 00:54:05.150 --> 00:54:06.540 Vipin Bharathan: organization. 383 00:54:09.710 --> 00:54:16.330 Vipin Bharathan: So all this stuff I just talked about So 384 00:54:16.710 --> 00:54:18.440 Vipin Bharathan: in order to look at 385 00:54:19.050 --> 00:54:24.479 Vipin Bharathan: the 16.9 stg. Which is to provide a legal identity 386 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:34.070 Vipin Bharathan: including both registration by 2,020. I think it is a lawable goal. But I don't think it's going to happen. 387 00:54:34.650 --> 00:54:39.930 Vipin Bharathan: because there are real gaps. real problems 388 00:54:40.640 --> 00:54:50.689 Vipin Bharathan: And of course, it's a development goal, not only as a standalone development goal, but it dissolved for a purpose 389 00:54:51.040 --> 00:54:52.849 Vipin Bharathan: to 390 00:54:53.730 --> 00:55:03.099 Vipin Bharathan: the participating banking finance for gender equality, because women are not even recognized as people somewhere 391 00:55:03.210 --> 00:55:04.910 Vipin Bharathan: in some places 392 00:55:04.990 --> 00:55:09.130 Vipin Bharathan: migration, labor market opportunities and so on so forth. 393 00:55:10.620 --> 00:55:18.230 Vipin Bharathan: There is a political threat which is a lack of identity has brought forward in India. I don't know how familiar you are with 394 00:55:18.490 --> 00:55:25.369 Vipin Bharathan: what's happening in the northeast, you know some, for example, they have the 395 00:55:25.390 --> 00:55:27.209 Vipin Bharathan: if you cannot prove 396 00:55:27.550 --> 00:55:32.119 Vipin Bharathan: that you were. You know you, your father, grandfather. 397 00:55:32.130 --> 00:55:42.289 Vipin Bharathan: your grandmother. Somebody was a citizen of India in 1,947. Then you are considered not a citizen of India which is kind of observed 398 00:55:42.580 --> 00:55:45.980 Vipin Bharathan: but that has resulted in the 399 00:55:46.200 --> 00:55:50.190 Vipin Bharathan: exclusion of a lot of people from. 400 00:55:50.450 --> 00:55:54.300 Vipin Bharathan: and actually as a political threat in in terms of 401 00:55:54.340 --> 00:56:02.240 Vipin Bharathan: deporting them into Bangladesh somewhere else. And it's also a racial and sort of a religious. So 402 00:56:04.860 --> 00:56:06.090 Vipin Bharathan: warfare. 403 00:56:07.060 --> 00:56:11.109 Vipin Bharathan: So all these are arising out of identity 404 00:56:11.240 --> 00:56:17.479 Vipin Bharathan: which we may not be aware of. We are only, you know, focused on our problems. 405 00:56:17.660 --> 00:56:19.240 Vipin Bharathan: But 406 00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:22.390 Vipin Bharathan: these items are 407 00:56:22.560 --> 00:56:29.560 Vipin Bharathan: very important, and it's highlighted to a certain extent in that. we have paper. 408 00:56:30.110 --> 00:56:33.620 Vipin Bharathan: and of course you are familiar with this 409 00:56:34.260 --> 00:56:36.600 Vipin Bharathan: this system. Here, holder. 410 00:56:37.080 --> 00:56:42.639 Vipin Bharathan: okay. So you have the issuer holder and verify a triangle. 411 00:56:43.180 --> 00:56:46.760 Vipin Bharathan: and the verifier does not directly 412 00:56:46.830 --> 00:56:56.410 Vipin Bharathan: contact the issuer issue or issues the credential to the holder, which is anybody. or having a wallet of some sort 413 00:56:56.790 --> 00:57:04.859 Vipin Bharathan: that is cryptographically protected, and crypto plastically can provide. It can store cryptographic 414 00:57:04.980 --> 00:57:08.650 Vipin Bharathan: attestations of the issuance. And then. 415 00:57:08.670 --> 00:57:18.399 Vipin Bharathan: in the presentation part, where they want to rely on a very far higher for any service, or for 416 00:57:22.780 --> 00:57:25.019 Vipin Bharathan: various other. 417 00:57:25.380 --> 00:57:26.320 for 418 00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:37.810 Vipin Bharathan: feeding by a police officer, you have to press into your diverse license. But the presentation in a decentralized Id case is meant to be only 419 00:57:38.560 --> 00:57:44.529 Vipin Bharathan: it. It's selected distortion. That means you're basically only showing them 420 00:57:45.070 --> 00:57:49.400 Vipin Bharathan: your name, maybe, or you are a holder of a valid 421 00:57:49.620 --> 00:57:53.689 Vipin Bharathan: drivers license, and that you're older than X. 422 00:57:54.200 --> 00:58:00.440 Vipin Bharathan: But that's not the case. Today. They. They can read a lot of things from the driver's license. 423 00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:15.029 Vipin Bharathan: Then, of course, the 1 one way street here between the issue and the verifier, which is basically the verifier with, who can? look at this? look at the credential and say, is that a valid credential 424 00:58:15.240 --> 00:58:19.140 Vipin Bharathan: by reading the data registry which 425 00:58:19.410 --> 00:58:22.350 Vipin Bharathan: in our world, this 426 00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:24.419 Vipin Bharathan: in the, for example. 427 00:58:24.520 --> 00:58:29.799 Vipin Bharathan: and the wallet that the whole of holes is Aries. There is 428 00:58:30.900 --> 00:58:35.080 Vipin Bharathan: didcom going on between various other 429 00:58:35.230 --> 00:58:37.549 Vipin Bharathan: entities, and that wallet 430 00:58:37.860 --> 00:58:39.540 Vipin Bharathan: or various wallets. 431 00:58:39.890 --> 00:58:50.280 Vipin Bharathan: we don't even go into the the details of, you know. having entities other than humans like 432 00:58:50.720 --> 00:58:52.190 Vipin Bharathan: IoT, or 433 00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:56.550 Vipin Bharathan: or or companies, or anything like that. But so 434 00:58:56.650 --> 00:59:00.449 Vipin Bharathan: this is the picture from the. 435 00:59:01.190 --> 00:59:03.319 Vipin Bharathan: from the hey part 436 00:59:03.950 --> 00:59:06.519 Vipin Bharathan: which is a familiar picture, of course. 437 00:59:06.730 --> 00:59:07.680 Vipin Bharathan: for us. 438 00:59:08.850 --> 00:59:17.009 Vipin Bharathan: the challenges. They know that that the standards are still under development. 439 00:59:17.500 --> 00:59:19.170 Vipin Bharathan: and 440 00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:24.380 Vipin Bharathan: lacking definition. Definitions. 441 00:59:24.950 --> 00:59:35.459 Vipin Bharathan: these these are general statements, because even though we know that some of these things are being worked on, they are not accepted globally. 442 00:59:36.130 --> 00:59:45.469 Vipin Bharathan: and we have listed some of the organizations that we talked about just now, plus 443 00:59:45.770 --> 00:59:49.500 Vipin Bharathan: some other organizations like 444 00:59:49.610 --> 00:59:51.629 Vipin Bharathan: the European Union. 445 00:59:51.740 --> 00:59:58.440 Vipin Bharathan: the Architectural reference framework, and E. I d as which 446 00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:00.330 Vipin Bharathan: is going to be 447 01:00:01.490 --> 01:00:12.660 Vipin Bharathan: the topic of next calls presentation by Stefan, who's done a wonderful job of it before, because he's part of the working group 448 01:00:13.090 --> 01:00:23.419 Vipin Bharathan: and actual. He has actually worked on the Ids. So either a Rf. Or the wallet 449 01:00:23.580 --> 01:00:24.809 Vipin Bharathan: standard, or 450 01:00:25.380 --> 01:00:30.030 Vipin Bharathan: you know various aspect, and he is very familiar with these things. So 451 01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:33.349 Vipin Bharathan: we here next 452 01:00:33.490 --> 01:00:37.780 Vipin Bharathan: next call. which is in 2 weeks for that. 453 01:00:38.200 --> 01:00:40.730 Vipin Bharathan: but these are 454 01:00:41.170 --> 01:00:43.360 Vipin Bharathan: the challenges as per 455 01:00:44.330 --> 01:00:45.100 Vipin Bharathan: on the paper 456 01:00:47.200 --> 01:00:58.500 Vipin Bharathan: and the risks which we dwell on a little bit political risk data exploitation, which if we haven't even talked about. 457 01:00:58.640 --> 01:01:05.940 Vipin Bharathan: which is basically using the data collected. or I either 458 01:01:07.620 --> 01:01:15.770 Vipin Bharathan: to do advertisement for surveillance or using that data 459 01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:20.920 Vipin Bharathan: to, I do a 460 01:01:21.230 --> 01:01:22.240 to be up 461 01:01:23.460 --> 01:01:24.660 Vipin Bharathan: and so. 462 01:01:24.890 --> 01:01:28.209 Vipin Bharathan: and of course. 463 01:01:29.020 --> 01:01:29.900 Vipin Bharathan: having 464 01:01:30.970 --> 01:01:32.830 Vipin Bharathan: that, they have from 465 01:01:33.130 --> 01:01:35.280 Vipin Bharathan: how we bye 466 01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:42.400 Char Howland: let me get a bit of trouble here in. You've been like the connection. It's breaking up a bit. 467 01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:45.150 Vipin Bharathan: Now 468 01:01:47.050 --> 01:01:47.720 it's 469 01:01:49.230 --> 01:01:51.150 Vipin Bharathan: say to me. Yeah. 470 01:01:55.530 --> 01:01:56.220 Vipin Bharathan: go ahead. 471 01:01:59.390 --> 01:02:04.329 Char Howland: Hmm. I'm still not able to hear you too much, unless unless it's just me, and my connection is bad. 472 01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:10.770 Char Howland: It's breaking up on my end, too. 473 01:02:11.210 --> 01:02:11.910 You can. 474 01:02:14.130 --> 01:02:15.100 Vipin Bharathan: However. 475 01:02:27.980 --> 01:02:28.940 Vipin Bharathan: Hello! 476 01:02:31.590 --> 01:02:32.670 Char Howland: Are you there, Evan? 477 01:02:44.910 --> 01:02:50.600 Char Howland: And bits and pieces from you, but not not so coherent. Unfortunately. 478 01:03:10.240 --> 01:03:21.130 Char Howland: thanks for your note. I'll find so great to great to have you join. We'll see if they've been is able to rejoin the call, and and maybe the connection will be better 479 01:03:21.730 --> 01:03:23.050 Char Howland: when he's back. 480 01:03:23.340 --> 01:03:27.020 Alfonso Govela: Thank you, Char. So you see you in 2 weeks. 481 01:03:27.100 --> 01:03:32.760 Char Howland: Yeah, absolutely. we meet at the same time every 2 weeks. So, looking forward to it. 482 01:03:32.870 --> 01:03:36.840 Char Howland: thanks, bye. thanks, Brett. 483 01:03:36.900 --> 01:03:37.930 Bret Michael Carpenter: definitely. 484 01:03:43.530 --> 01:03:44.700 Char Howland: Thanks everyone. 485 01:04:13.290 --> 01:04:17.480 Char Howland: I'll go ahead and wait to see if it is able to rejoin. 486 01:04:19.380 --> 01:04:21.489 Char Howland: I'll try messaging him as well. 487 01:06:10.930 --> 01:06:13.730 Char Howland: Hi, vippin. How's the connection now? 488 01:06:18.060 --> 01:06:21.580 Vipin Bharathan: I rejoined with the 489 01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:25.800 Vipin Bharathan: with my phone. 490 01:06:27.040 --> 01:06:33.200 Vipin Bharathan: I don't know why it's telling me that I'm in safe driving mode when I'm actually sitting down. 491 01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:38.570 Vipin Bharathan: But anyway, so yeah, I mean the 492 01:06:38.990 --> 01:06:42.650 Vipin Bharathan: you know. I I I was just going over the paper. 493 01:06:42.830 --> 01:06:52.390 Vipin Bharathan: I I'll have to go back to my. I had to reboot my computer. I don't know what what happened over there. 494 01:06:52.820 --> 01:06:54.080 Vipin Bharathan: But 495 01:06:56.370 --> 01:06:58.080 Vipin Bharathan: anyway, 496 01:06:59.710 --> 01:07:02.669 Vipin Bharathan: how far did you did? Did I 497 01:07:02.950 --> 01:07:06.389 Vipin Bharathan: succeed in getting? I don't even know. 498 01:07:07.230 --> 01:07:18.820 Char Howland: Yeah, we we were. We had started to cover the risks of decentralized identity. but I think that's about when things started to break up. And I know we just have 499 01:07:18.860 --> 01:07:23.310 Char Howland: a minute or 2 left in the call. So we might wanna 500 01:07:24.200 --> 01:07:35.729 Vipin Bharathan: Yeah. I mean, you know, the the paper is kind of self explanatory. They were about 12 slides in the call in the in the 501 01:07:36.230 --> 01:07:39.540 Vipin Bharathan: presentation. And I was on Slide 8. 502 01:07:39.730 --> 01:07:52.949 Vipin Bharathan: And you know. Basically there were a bunch of barriers that they noted and technical recommendations. But the most important one is the policy recommendations for adoption 503 01:07:53.240 --> 01:07:54.580 Vipin Bharathan: which 504 01:07:55.160 --> 01:07:58.420 Vipin Bharathan: W. Ef is very 505 01:07:58.750 --> 01:08:00.799 Vipin Bharathan: sort of influential with 506 01:08:01.470 --> 01:08:14.040 Vipin Bharathan: that ha happens to be the core of the of the paper. But it's, you know, basically things like reviewing policy, altering policy 507 01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:17.760 Vipin Bharathan: develop enabling regulation 508 01:08:18.090 --> 01:08:23.509 Vipin Bharathan: and improve privacy. Enhancing technologies. 509 01:08:24.130 --> 01:08:28.219 Vipin Bharathan: this is all applicable to 510 01:08:28.370 --> 01:08:29.939 Vipin Bharathan: decentralized 511 01:08:30.120 --> 01:08:37.830 Vipin Bharathan: identity is what they call it not SSI, and future forward mechanisms 512 01:08:37.960 --> 01:08:44.880 Vipin Bharathan: and invest in public policy. Basically invest is that he 513 01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:56.709 Vipin Bharathan: is the key recommendation invest in technology invest in getting a good policy adoption and invest in 514 01:08:56.970 --> 01:09:00.930 Vipin Bharathan: regulation invest in 515 01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:05.240 Vipin Bharathan: training people. in this. 516 01:09:06.490 --> 01:09:15.379 Vipin Bharathan: These are the recommendations. And I. So I said, my personal comments are, why is this influential? It is extremely influential. 517 01:09:15.510 --> 01:09:21.229 Vipin Bharathan: And because of the W. A lot of government officials shop there. 518 01:09:21.430 --> 01:09:22.609 Vipin Bharathan: and 519 01:09:23.370 --> 01:09:26.100 Vipin Bharathan: and and there are technological 520 01:09:26.130 --> 01:09:28.300 Vipin Bharathan: methods for implementation 521 01:09:28.460 --> 01:09:37.719 Vipin Bharathan: and the technological capability for implementation. Both of these have to be proved and participate in multiple venues, which is what we are doing 522 01:09:37.819 --> 01:09:44.439 Vipin Bharathan: anyway. sorry about that. Next time I'll close everything before I 523 01:09:44.670 --> 01:09:51.189 Vipin Bharathan: just do this presentation, maybe. I am running AI in the background. I don't know. 524 01:09:51.870 --> 01:09:59.889 Char Howland: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry you got cut off. I I think it was really useful to to take the time to go over the paper. So thank you. 525 01:10:00.440 --> 01:10:07.320 Vipin Bharathan: Yeah. And also Aiden Salivin is going to come back here 526 01:10:07.450 --> 01:10:13.930 Vipin Bharathan: later, and he will do a much fuller presentation. And hopefully, we can 527 01:10:14.220 --> 01:10:17.360 Vipin Bharathan: car work enough time for that for him. 528 01:10:17.670 --> 01:10:19.459 Vipin Bharathan: and 529 01:10:19.710 --> 01:10:21.079 Vipin Bharathan: you know, instead of 530 01:10:22.420 --> 01:10:28.059 Vipin Bharathan: just running down a list of updates which which we always do. But 531 01:10:28.090 --> 01:10:30.410 Char Howland: yeah, no, I definitely agree we could 532 01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:35.270 Char Howland: cut some of that out to leave more time for the presentation. So 533 01:10:35.470 --> 01:10:41.509 Vipin Bharathan: all right. So you'll come back, and we have the next 3 presentations on, on, on. 534 01:10:41.910 --> 01:10:43.149 Vipin Bharathan: on our 535 01:10:43.460 --> 01:10:48.609 Vipin Bharathan: agenda. And thanks for listening. And thank you. 536 01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:56.120 Char Howland: Yeah, absolutely. Thanks so much foripping and thanks Lynn and Charles for hanging around, and so we'll see you on 2 weeks. 537 01:10:56.620 --> 01:10:59.700 Vipin Bharathan: Thank you. Bye, bye.